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Todd S. Malicoate wrote:Thanks to all who work "on the other side" of auditions for your explanations of the process and taking the time to write them. It's much appreciated.

The only comment I would have is that many players get frustrated by the fact that "summer festivals, small orchestras, concerto competitions, etc., etc." don't seem to make any difference to even the smallest orchestras.

Tom, I would imagine a certain young lady in Philly would disagree with your suggestion of what not to do after getting a rejection letter from an audition committee. Just sayin'.
Obviously I disagree with the notion that summer festivals, small orchestras, and concerto competitions make no difference. We're looking at that for two reasons (to be completely candid)...first, we can't legally ask people what their age is, but we sure can ballpark it by looking at a candidate's education, teachers, and experience. We expect to see more summer festivals, small orchestras, sub gigs, and concerto competitions listed on the resume of a young player than on a resume of older pro (that is not always the case, of course). Second, sometimes orchestras actually are looking for young players. This is especially true of the string players of today. Some of the young violinists of today are absolutely incredible players that even the largest orchestras would be happy to have though their resumes show more concerto competition wins than orchestral experience. My point being that any experience does matter and young players should not automatically feel defeated and give up. Sometimes their age and typical level of experience works to their advantage.

As for Carol in Philadelphia, it is my understanding that she was not a complete unknown to the committee as one prominent member of that committee had heard an audition tape of hers and worked with her in another setting. That person then recommended her for invitation to the audition. I absolutely do not want to take anything away from her as she is an excellent player doing an excellent job in Philadelphia, but she absolutely DID get luckly that the door was opened when the right person heard her play great. She did not just show up to the audition after being rejected with the hope of being afforded the opportunity to play.
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Tewbacca wrote: Doesn't that fact that you're investing so much make doing a completely thorough search even more justified?
As in having an all-are-welcome "cattle call" style audition, simply inviting everyone, or not rejecting anyone based upon their resume?

No.

The best use of the orchestra's time and money is to invite a managable pool of candidates that have the most relevant experience and are the most likely to succeed on the job, not to spend time and money listenting to everyone that applies regardless of level of expeience in an effort to find a handful of standout players being held back by lack of expeience shown on their own resumes.

It's all a case of time is money and both are in short supply in the orchestra world.
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I'll never forget when the CSO used to audition everyone who was willing to show up. There were several excellent players who had no "background" who won spots in the orchestra. If they had based the audition on resume's it wouldn't be the CSO you've heard all those years.

How about the newest Vienna Phil trombonist? No background, never even played in an orchestra before and won the job. Carol Janstch is not alone in going directly from student to professional.

Sorry, unless the numbers are unmanageable, I believe an orchestra that wants to upgrade should hear everyone brave enough to prepare the rep list they publish.

On the other hand, unqualified auditionees should be prepared to be dismissed after two or three excerpts.
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Alex C wrote: How about the newest Vienna Phil trombonist? No background, never even played in an orchestra before and won the job.
This guy?
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I went to Tennessee with Jeremy. He's an incredible player, but he doesn't quite fit in the Carol Jantsch mold. Jeremy was participating in a competition which was being judged by the principle trombone player in Vienna. He did well enough in the competition that he was invited to the audition. I'm not sure if he was placed directly in the finals or not, but he was certainly a "known commodity" prior to the audition.
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tntuba wrote:I went to Tennessee with Jeremy. He's an incredible player, but he doesn't quite fit in the Carol Jantsch mold. Jeremy was participating in a competition which was being judged by the principle trombone player in Vienna. He did well enough in the competition that he was invited to the audition. I'm not sure if he was placed directly in the finals or not, but he was certainly a "known commodity" prior to the audition.

Slightly off-topic, but Jeremy is leaving the Vienna Phil to fulfill his initial goal, and is joining the faculty of Vanderbilt University.
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Here's Jeremy Wilson playing. An amazing guy.

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bloke wrote:I believe orchestras should be able to choose players in any way that they deem fit.
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Alex C wrote:I'll never forget when the CSO used to audition everyone who was willing to show up. There were several excellent players who had no "background" who won spots in the orchestra. If they had based the audition on resume's it wouldn't be the CSO you've heard all those years.
Are you talking about the Chicago Symphony? When was this exactly? Please name them specifically. I'm really, genuinely curious to whom you're referring.

I've seen Bud Herseth's file in the archives from when he was a student at New England Conservatory. He came in from the military with more experience than the other students, he was a standout while he was there, and he was a member of the faculty before he was actually finished with his degree. Arnold Jacobs went to Curtis. Curtis was probably even more prestigious then than it is now, and if I'm not mistaken he was invited to a private audition for the CSO by Fritz Reiner himself. Jay Friedman was a student of Robert Lambert who had played in the Chicago Civic Orchestra.
bloke wrote:I believe orchestras should be able to choose players in any way that they deem fit.
I mean no disrespect to the generation of incredible players I mention above, but we have the convoluted system we have now because that was the system in place in the past, and it was patently unfair. It was nearly impossible for a woman to get a job in a symphony orchestra, particularly playing a brass instrument. Our system in flawed, to be sure, but I honestly can't think of one that does a better job of eliminating prejudices, conscious or unconscious.
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glangfur wrote:Are you talking about the Chicago Symphony? When was this exactly? Please name them specifically. I'm really, genuinely curious to whom you're referring.
I'm pretty sure the Chicago Symphony still has open auditions. They do reserve the right to dismiss anyone immediately if not up to standards. As for people that had "no background",
I'm pretty sure I remember reading that when Phil Smith won the second trumpet spot in the CSO, it was his first audition. Granted, he was a student at Juilliard, but he didn't have a gig to bolster his chances of getting invited.

Some of the current members of horn section, didn't have big gigs before they got into the CSO as well. They just played great auditions from the prelims through the finals.
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Slightly off-topic, but Jeremy is leaving the Vienna Phil to fulfill his initial goal, and is joining the faculty of Vanderbilt University.
Has Gil Long decided to step down???

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Tony Halloin wrote: Some of the current members of horn section, didn't have big gigs before they got into the CSO as well. They just played great auditions from the prelims through the finals.
Who, exactly, are you thinking of?
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Tom wrote:
Tony Halloin wrote: Some of the current members of horn section, didn't have big gigs before they got into the CSO as well. They just played great auditions from the prelims through the finals.
Who, exactly, are you thinking of?
My good friend Oto Carrillo would be one of them. I don't know everyone's story, but he was just playing gigs and doing a regional orchestra or two.
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I heard that there was a round of auditions today for Charlotte, and rumors of at least 1 person (don't know name) advancing. Any one have any details?
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Unconfirmed, but I'm pretty sure Aubrey Foard won.

If it's for sure, Congrats to Aubrey! He played right after me and sounded fantastic.
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Aubrey did indeed. Very happy for him. Charlotte is in for a treat.
Austin Howle, also a very fine tubist, was runner-up. I always said look out for Austin once he starts auditioning.
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Go Aubrey!
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Thanks, all!
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Congrats, Aubrey!
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