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East Tennessee State University

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:50 am
by CC
http://www.higheredjobs.com/faculty/det ... mphasis%29" target="_blank

Institution: East Tennessee State University
Location: Johnson City, TN
Category: Faculty - Fine and Applied Arts - Music

Posted: 12/18/2012
Application Due: Open Until Filled
Type: Full Time (Non Tenure Track)

LECTURER - Low Brass (tuba, primary emphasis).

EFFECTIVE DATE: August, 2013.

RESPONSIBILITIES: Teach low brass with tuba as primary emphasis and euphonium as secondary emphasis; develop and actively recruit for studio; teach low brass component of brass methods, brass literature, and brass pedagogy; coordinate brass area and oversee brass chamber ensemble program; and teach other courses depending on the qualifications of the candidate and needs of the department. Teaching experience in theory/aural skills, music appreciation, and/or brass methods class is highly desirable. Perform in the faculty brass ensemble.

QUALIFICATIONS: Doctoral degree in tuba/low brass performance preferred; Master's degree in tuba/low brass performance required. Active solo and collaborative performer. Preference is given to applicants with a record of successful performance, recruiting and studio/program building. Record of, potential for, or expectation of excellence in collegiate teaching, scholarly/creative endeavors, and professional service. Commitment to undergraduate level instruction. Knowledge of current performance and pedagogical trends in music education.

RANK AND SALARY: Lecturer, non-tenure track, 3 year renewable position; $25,000 plus benefits.

DEPARTMENT OF MUSIC: The ETSU Department of Music offers Bachelor of Music degrees in music education and performance. A faculty of fifteen full-time and fifteen part-time instructors in the department serves approximately 100 majors, in addition to over 600 non-majors in music elective classes each year. Students perform in a variety of ensembles, including concert bands, jazz bands, orchestra, university chorale and smaller vocal ensembles, opera workshop, and instrumental chamber ensembles. The department offers the only Suzuki flute pedagogy program in the country.

UNIVERSITY/COMMUNITY: East Tennessee State University is a regional state-supported public institution serving over 15,000 students, and is located in a beautiful, prosperous southern Appalachian Mountain community. Johnson City (population over 60,000) is part of the Tri-Cities area with a combined population of over 500,000. It is metropolitan in population (close to a million people within a seventy-mile radius), but provides a friendly, small town atmosphere. Numerous professional performance opportunities are available throughout the Tri-Cities area and east Tennessee region.

APPLICATIONS: Complete an online application at https://jobs.etsu.edu" target="_blank. You will be asked to submit a cover letter, curriculum vitae, and a list of three current references (name, position/school, email, and phone number). Applicants will need to send the following under separate cover: a DVD or CD of a recent performance (contrasting styles of music, preferred). No materials will be returned. Do not send transcript copies at this time, this will be requested of candidates at a later date. Send the requested materials to: Low Brass Search Committee, Department of Music, East Tennessee State University, Box 70661, Johnson City, TN 37614. Deadline for submission of application materials: Review of materials will begin immediately and continue until position is filled. ETSU is a Tennessee Board of Regents institution and is fully in accord with the belief that educational and employment opportunities should be available to all eligible persons without regard to age, sex, color, race, national origin, disability, veteran status, or sexual orientation. ETSU employs only U.S. citizens and aliens authorized to work in the United States. AA/EOE.
Application Information
Contact: Human Resources
East Tennessee State University
Online App. Form: https://jobs.etsu.edu/applicants/Centra ... Find=52839" target="_blank

Re: East Tennessee State University

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:57 am
by b.williams
McDonald's Jobs

Check out the average salary by job title:

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Shift Manager Salaries at McDonald's $21k

Manager Salaries at McDonald's $25k

Assistant Manager Salaries at McDonald's $28k

swing Manager Salaries at McDonald's $21k

Store manager Salaries at McDonald's $39k

General Manager Salaries at McDonald's $41k

:shock:

Re: East Tennessee State University

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:35 pm
by TubaBob
B. Williams - you're a riot! I spit my coffee through my nose.

Re: East Tennessee State University

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:33 pm
by b.williams
the elephant wrote:He was not kidding at all about that. This is a very low paying position to carry a full-time load and require a DMA.
I wasn't.
The average salaries were obtained from a McDonald's website, I did not make them up.

What is really discouraging is that there will no doubt be many applicants...

Re: East Tennessee State University

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:38 pm
by b.williams
It's supply and demand. IMHO, the position should pay between $50K to $70K depending on cost of living.

Re: East Tennessee State University

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:37 am
by CC
Unfortunately, this is par for the course concerning NTT positions. It actually pays better than most but the biggest difference is that it offers benefits. Yes, it should pay better, but the reality is that universities rely too much on adjuncts to cover teaching loads. I don't think they'll have as many applicants as you guys may think, but to someone who is ABD in school somewhere and used to living like a student this would be a start.

Chris Combest

Re: East Tennessee State University

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:43 am
by Mudman
Pay is low, but most college gigs involve only 9 months of real work each year. (McDonalds jobs don't come with three months vacation.)

Somebody who is just starting a career could use this gig to land a better one. Taking advantage of university resources to build credentials is one way (travel grants, research grants, exchange recitals, administrative positions, teaching new classes).

Or a person could get there and stagnate.

3 years to move up or out might be a good plan for the right person.

A paying job to teach and play the tuba is pretty rare.

Re: East Tennessee State University

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:47 am
by b.williams
Mudman wrote:Pay is low, but most college gigs involve only 9 months of real work each year. (McDonalds jobs don't come with three months vacation.)

Somebody who is just starting a career could use this gig to land a better one. Taking advantage of university resources to build credentials is one way (travel grants, research grants, exchange recitals, administrative positions, teaching new classes).

Or a person could get there and stagnate.

3 years to move up or out might be a good plan for the right person.

A paying job to teach and play the tuba is pretty rare.
Yes, but how sad is it that they demand a Masters prefer a Doctorate and are willing to pay for a GED.

Re: East Tennessee State University

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:33 am
by PMeuph
b.williams wrote: Yes, but how sad is it that they demand a Masters prefer a Doctorate and are willing to pay for a GED.
The reality is that this is a perfect job for someone who has just run out of Graduate assistanships and is just about done or recently finished and needs a job. It gives you about 5k than some of the most prestigious Assistanships/Fellowships (In the arts & humanities, of course).

I could see someone using this kind of position to pad their resume. It is also quite probable that the candidate who gets this job could get extra teaching gigs and freelancing on the side to earn some extra dough.

I don't know how you figured your salary of 50k to 70k but I am almost positive that "Lecturer" positions in Tuba that pay that much are far and few in between.*

*More than once I have heard that the range you speak of is quite common for Assistant Professors in smaller schools.

Re: East Tennessee State University

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:28 am
by b.williams
PMeuph wrote:
b.williams wrote: Yes, but how sad is it that they demand a Masters prefer a Doctorate and are willing to pay for a GED.
The reality is that this is a perfect job for someone who has just run out of Graduate assistanships and is just about done or recently finished and needs a job. It gives you about 5k than some of the most prestigious Assistanships/Fellowships (In the arts & humanities, of course).

I could see someone using this kind of position to pad their resume. It is also quite probable that the candidate who gets this job could get extra teaching gigs and freelancing on the side to earn some extra dough.

I don't know how you figured your salary of 50k to 70k but I am almost positive that "Lecturer" positions in Tuba that pay that much are far and few in between.*

*More than once I have heard that the range you speak of is quite common for Assistant Professors in smaller schools.
I used my school system's teaching salaries and then lowered them a bit. I am shocked to see that a person with a masters or doctorate, with considerable experience, will be responsible for so much for the same money that a person with a (-) GED can easily earn. BTW, those salaries that I listed were the average per position. The maximum salaries possible (+$100K) make this salary ($25K) even more insulting and absurd.

Re: East Tennessee State University

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:36 pm
by dwaskew
b.williams wrote: I used my school system's teaching salaries and then lowered them a bit.
public school system vs.public, non-union university system pay is quite different.

While low-ish, it is reasonably accurate/average for adjunct/non-tenure track, plus cost-of-living there is relatively low. the startling part is the sheer quantity they are putting on a lecturer position. That said, benefits are not normal in this type position. many trade-offs to consider for those applying.

Re: East Tennessee State University

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:01 pm
by PMeuph
b.williams wrote:
I used my school system's teaching salaries and then lowered them a bit. I am shocked to see that a person with a masters or doctorate, with considerable experience, will be responsible for so much for the same money that a person with a (-) GED can easily earn. BTW, those salaries that I listed were the average per position. The maximum salaries possible (+$100K) make this salary ($25K) even more insulting and absurd.
I believe you are conflating certain academic roles in your assessment of salaries. Look carefully at the job: while the person might be referred to as a "professor" they are considered by the university to be a "Lecturer" which is a rank below any tenure-track position. Lecturers don't have the same obligations for research, for graduate student supervision, for publications, conference papers, and for administrative duties as TT professors do. As such, universities only pay them to teach and not to do anything else. Whatever other activities they do is on their own time. The current position might be appealing to someone who wants a job with benefits and the stability of a long term contract.

If you look at the list below you will see that 50-70k includes many assistant and associate profs. In most cases, lecturers (especially in smaller schools away from major urban centers) will earn considerably less than their TT colleagues.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professors ... tes#Salary" target="_blank

Re: East Tennessee State University

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:23 pm
by b.williams
You are right, I have no idea about college teaching salaries. I just expected a higher salary than an assistant manager at McDonald's. My bad. :oops:

Re: East Tennessee State University

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 4:54 pm
by trop2000
Well PHOOEY!

I mean no disrespect to my colleagues, but honestly ... the duties include coordinating the entire brass area and recruiting. I have yet to meet the 1st year college prof looking for an entry level gig who is even REMOTELY qualified on either of these fronts. Surely we all understand what is involved in being an area coordinator? You have to do things like schedule all of the juries, figure out the proprietary system of paperwork, grading, incompletes, ALL of that stuff. This requires strong relationships, the ability to problem-solve; you're going to have to deal with problem students and difficult, uncomfortable situations. A first year college teacher for that? Sorry, I don't see it.

And recruiting? Think of the best recruiter you know. Go talk to them about how well they recruited their first few years. It takes time to learn; it's not just a matter of calling students from lists, although that's certainly part of it. Recruiting well means taking the long view.

Sure, you can look at the horrid compensation and talk about entry-level, but the job description calls for skills that are NOT entry level. You can talk about adjuncts being paid only to teach, but if your coordinating the whole brass area, good luck leaving your job at school. Your email will be going off all night long with this student wanting an incomplete because of tendinitis, that high school student wanting to audition on a day that auditions are not offered, minutes of the last faculty meeting, the dispute over whether horn lessons should occur in room 214 or 314, and so on. Endless work. I respectfully request that whomever takes this gig, please make a record of every single hour you spend on this job the first year, then divide your salary by those hours and let us know what your hourly compensation turned out to be.

Re: East Tennessee State University

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:25 pm
by drow2buh
Possibly it is an announcement simply made legally because they want to make their current person full-time? The prof is listed as Jimmie Self - does anyone know him and could ask?

Then we can all go back to our jobs at Mickey-D's! :wink:

Re: East Tennessee State University

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:22 pm
by graybach
Jimmie Self is retiring from the position effective at the end of the year.

Re: East Tennessee State University

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:54 pm
by Todd S. Malicoate
b.williams wrote:The maximum salaries possible (+$100K) make this salary ($25K) even more insulting and absurd.
Hmm. It's twice the amount I make as an adjunct, and includes benefits (I have none).

Not so "insulting and absurd" to me.

Re: East Tennessee State University

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:21 am
by drow2buh
Todd S. Malicoate wrote:
b.williams wrote:The maximum salaries possible (+$100K) make this salary ($25K) even more insulting and absurd.
Hmm. It's twice the amount I make as an adjunct, and includes benefits (I have none).

Not so "insulting and absurd" to me.
Truth.

Though there are more than double the amount of duties included in this job posting.

Re: East Tennessee State University

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:54 pm
by Todd S. Malicoate
drow2buh wrote:Though there are more than double the amount of duties included in this job posting.
Not even close.

Re: East Tennessee State University

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:12 pm
by PMeuph
According to this website, an adjunct at ETSU makes $1800 per course. (It's a different field than music, and probably more than someone teaching lessons would make) With that in mind, the $25k doesn't even seem remotely surprising. One would be foolish to assert that the responsibilities in this job are equivalent to teaching 13 (maybe 16, if we include benefits) classes.
http://www.adjunctproject.com/us/" target="_blank

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I'm not saying that I think this job is a good paying job, but anyone who is surprised that it pays so little needs to look at other universities more closely. On many campuses, poorly-paid adjuncts do the teaching at a low rate (the average is below 3K per course) while tenured professors get paid generously(average $73K a year) to teach few students.

The school where I am has some serious financial problems right now. Three years ago, when the music department was $700 000 short in it's budget, the department added an online theory and an online pop music history class. The classes are offered year-long and taken by about 1000 students each year. The course has one instructor (earning $70k) and one grader (earning $50k). The tuition is about $450 ($1500 for international students). Such a class, generates much more money that it costs the university, it probably helped the department cut it's deficit. However, when one thinks of tenured profs who only teach several classes (4-6 a year) with an average of 20 students per class and earn $100k+, it's easy do do the math a realize that financially, the tuition doesn't come close to covering the prof's salary. While I understand that profs are also paid for their research and their administrative duties, it doesn't surprise me in the least that administrators would want a more "budget-friendly" option.

For those who are interested and don't know yet, there has been much more communication and outcry from adjuncts in the past year.

http://adjunct.chronicle.com/" target="_blank