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Postby bloke » Mon Mar 21, 2005 9:05 pm

Royce "who suspects that people like to babble a lot and make outrageous claims"


fact: Three tuba players who make "pretty-darn-good" money but "not-as-much-as-Philly" have flat told me they aren't interested in that job.

fact: I'm going to respect their privacy. Their absence speaks through a megaphone, anyway.

fact: The main reason these gentlemen do not want to consider the chance of a move to Philly are precisely the reasons outlined by Mr. Gilchrest.

fact: Philly will eventually select a new tuba player that they will find to be satisfactory, as did Boston (is there an echo in here?).

fact: I would not want to move to Philly for any sort of c. $100K job (tuba or otherwise)...though I'm quite interested in moving away from the city in which I currently dwell - where I receive similar remuneration.

question: If your city is so great, why cheerlead so vehemently for it? If successful - it seems to me, you'll simply increase the amount of traffic on your freeways.
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Postby RoyceLandon » Mon Mar 21, 2005 9:08 pm

[quote="bloke"][quote]Royce "who suspects that people like to babble a lot and make outrageous claims"[/quote]

fact: Three tuba players who make "pretty-darn-good" money but "not-as-much-as-Philly" have flat told me they aren't interested in that job.

fact: I'm going to respect their privacy. Their absence speaks through a megaphone, anyway.

fact: The main reason these gentlemen do not want to consider the chance of a move to Philly are [i]precisely[/i] the reasons outlined by Mr. Gilchrest.

fact: Philly will eventually select a new tuba player that they will find to be satisfactory, as did Boston (is there an echo in here?).

fact: I would not want to move to Philly for [i]any sort[/i] of c. $100K job (tuba or otherwise)...though I'm quite interested in [i]moving away from[/i] the city in which I currently dwell - where I receive similar remuneration.

question: If your city is so great, why cheerlead so vehemently for it? If successful - it seems to me, you'll simply increase the amount of traffic on your freeways.[/quote]

fact: I also know several well respected tuba players who did not audition.

fact: they deserve the job very much

fact: rattling off claims on a forum about people you know makes you super cool

fact: I can make up facts all day, too
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Postby bloke » Mon Mar 21, 2005 9:22 pm

Royce,

My point is that I believe the Philly Orch is looking for two things:

#1 an absolutely top-drawer player who is at the top of their game
#2 a player of stature and recognition

I'm wondering how easy it will be to (with their very high standards - as they are indeed a world-class orchestra) find both a #1 and a #2 - considering that most such players are quite "fat and happy" and would likely suffer a lifestyle demotion with the "promotion" of salary, position, and prestige.

' you all pissed about the Philly pic? How 'bout this Mempho pic:

<img src="http://tinypic.com/2arvat">

This is the smelly old run-down motel where one out-of-towner (who came in to stir things up) came to shoot another out-of-towner (who came in to stir things up)...and ever since then the rest of the world has judged Memphis based on an incident involving two non-Memphians...and it has absolutely rubbed off on hundreds of thousands of Memphians (from all walks of life) and completely poisoned the city for the rest of us.

bloke "I know a lot of tuba players...so what? I even know some viola :shock: players."
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Postby Dan Satterwhite » Mon Mar 21, 2005 10:52 pm

Last time I was in Philadelphia, the neighborhood where the Academy of Music is located (Verizon Hall was still an architectural model in the Academy's lobby) didn't look anything like the pictures posted. You can find undesirable neighborhoods like that in most any big city. I spent some extended time in Philadelphia back when Charlie Vernon played in the orchestra, and he lived in a beautiful, affordable (at the time, at least) home in Collingswood, NJ, where he had a 3 minute walk to the high speed line, which dropped him in less than half an hour about a block from the Academy. Much nicer than his 1 1/2 hour commute every morning in Chicago. Bad neighborhoods in THAT town, too. Boston, LA, San Francisco, Dallas, Houston, New York, Newark, Washington DC, Baltimore............
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Postby Fortissimosca » Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:02 pm

since we are going back to elementary school with facts and opinions:

fact: in Rochester, New York, you are more likely to get mugged, raped, murdered, or partake in gang violence outside of Eastman Theater than in Jefferson square, or in front of Verizon hall...

opinion: no wonder why Craig Sutherland showed up to play his heart out (I seem to remember hearing that Randy Montgomory was there too)

fact: there are some amazing players out there who want this job and dont care about the state of Philly

opinion: who cares about Philly anyway? is it just going to end up like Rochester? Buffalo? Syracuse? Look to the growing cities in the south (aka. where the money is): Pheonix, Tucson, San Antonio, anywhere in Florida. Personally, joining one of these, staying there for 30 years and helping make it the best orchestras in the country would be much more worthwile.
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Postby Dan Satterwhite » Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:13 pm

don't come to Florida looking to be a part of a growing musical community!
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Postby Fortissimosca » Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:26 pm

don't come to Florida looking to be a part of a growing musical community!


haha, actually, my logic is the large number of possible patrons (aka retired persons, what age group do you think most classical music supporters are in anyway?) not to mention a growing population and therefore more investment in the community. The music will come. Cleveland started growing fast in the early 20th century. Thier orchestra was founded very late compared to the other 2 of the top 3. They didnt start to become amazing until the middle/late part of the century. My music growing estimate for the areas I mentioned above is with in the next 30 years.

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Postby Dan Satterwhite » Tue Mar 22, 2005 12:04 am

Unfortunately, Florida has a bad reputation for fostering local classical music. The audiences here are very happy to come hear something that's traveling through (conveniently, it seems that the Cleveland Orchestra will be opening the new $400,000,000 hall in Miami, rather than the now defunct Florida Philharmonic), but financial support for full-time musical organizations is not there. The Florida Symphony died quite awhile ago, replaced more recently by the per-service Orlando Philharmonic. The Florida Philharmonic went down a couple of years ago, and has been sort ofreplaced by a handful of per service semi chamber orchestras, all billing themselves as the sucessor of the FPO. Remaining in Florida are the Naples Philharmonic, which is a fairly small core orchestra who hires a good deal of extras for it's bigger programs (many of which are pops) and, to my knowledge, has not grown substantially since it's inception, the Jacksonville Symphony, which has a base salary of less than $30k a year and had financial troubles recently, and the Florida Orchestra in Tampa-St. Pete, which also pays a base salary below 30k, and has had to endure huge cuts in salary and benefits recently to stay afloat. Unfortunately, things are headed in the wrong direction down here.
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Postby RoyceLandon » Tue Mar 22, 2005 1:10 am

Bloke,

are you trying to say that the people who auditioned aren't good enough for Phili? that the only people who are good enough for Phili don't want it?

That's a bold statement. Some of my colleagues might be offended. I don't think that they are below Phili's standards.

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btw, I found this picture of Houston. Who would want to live there??
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