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My question is this: does this process ever become like football teams trying to hire a coach? What happens if at the next audition they like the players that come to tryout #2 even less than they like the ones that came to tryout #1? What if the finallist fron tryout #1 are hired for other jobs they like better? Then what? Do they settle for the 3rd placed player or do they use temps until they get "the right person"?

Hey,
I recently stumbled upon an article about an old audition for a trombone audition for the Navy Band (DC) in which they chose noone for the job and why. I think it helps shed a little more light unto the subject in addition to the great (and helpful) post of Mr. Bollinger
http://www.trombonelessons.com/Audition ... tions.html
and BTW the rest of this guys website is chock-full-o- good stuff and he is a hell of a guy:
http://www.trombonelessons.com/
check out his daily routine, I really dig it (the free online version of course) and the general area with tons more stuff.
Bill Pritchard

RoyceLandon wrote:

bloke wrote:, even at $10K - $30K less "gross" pay, they feel that they have a much better quality of life,

That's funny. I heard that Philly is going to be the highest paid orchestra in the US by the end of their next contract.

Royce

Hi Royce,

Take the chance to read Bloke's entire post again as you might have read a bit too quickly the first time.

You will notice he offered that, for some people, it is worth working for (their current orchestra paying) $10-30K (LESS THAN Philly Offers) because of the better "quality of life" where they now work.

I know that at my age and stage of life, those "quality of life" issues are far greater to me than money is and I am no where near the calibre of player or pay scales in this discusion.

bloke wrote:

wnazzaro wrote:How did our cities get this way? I'm sure that while 90% of white people were moving to the suburbs to buy nice homes in the 1950s, blacks could have gotten the same mortgages and moved too. Why is it called "white flight"?

w-h-a-a-a???

Where did "race" and "mortgage discrimination" non sequiturs slip into this thread...??? Oh yeah...I remember...in the quote above . ...so, "mortgage discrimination" in the 1950's is the reason why some of the orchestral tuba players currently making from $50K-$80K aren't interested in auditioning for Philly....o........k......

...then my question (to try to "out nutty" you, I suppose) is: Why did all of the wops wreck the town in the first place?

bloke "who suspects that he could locate quite a few dangerous/run-down neighborhoods in major cities that, in the 1950's, were referred to as 'suburbs'. "

Only a yankee in a yankee town would throw out "discrimination" as the reasons why certain folks are in the inner cities.

To live in a town like this you have two options:

Live in the uber-expensive part of town (Center City)

or

Drive with people on the fringe of insanity back and forth to work every day from 20-40 mile away.

Sure, there are certain places that ain't so bad, but some of those cities can be pretty run down in areas. More than like __________ Symphony Hall is not in those areas and you may be able to avoid them pretty well. But they are still there. And your $$$$$ in city and county and state and federal taxes doesn't do much to help either.

Living near Boston is interesting. I have had to visit a certain hospital there a few times. I have taken back roads to get into town and I always go through the nice residential area to get into town. My wife was curious to see how much a decent house in this area costs. Well $750,000 for a 2000 sqft house is a bit much plus the $15-20K a year in taxes.

If anything, "whitey" has simply driven up the prices near downtown in whatever-big-city-you-choose.

See....and this is the very reason I say "Bring back the politics section" and let the mud slinging take place there.

Last time I was in Philadelphia, the neighborhood where the Academy of Music is located (Verizon Hall was still an architectural model in the Academy's lobby) didn't look anything like the pictures posted. You can find undesirable neighborhoods like that in most any big city. I spent some extended time in Philadelphia back when Charlie Vernon played in the orchestra, and he lived in a beautiful, affordable (at the time, at least) home in Collingswood, NJ, where he had a 3 minute walk to the high speed line, which dropped him in less than half an hour about a block from the Academy. Much nicer than his 1 1/2 hour commute every morning in Chicago. Bad neighborhoods in THAT town, too. Boston, LA, San Francisco, Dallas, Houston, New York, Newark, Washington DC, Baltimore............

don't come to Florida looking to be a part of a growing musical community!

Unfortunately, Florida has a bad reputation for fostering local classical music. The audiences here are very happy to come hear something that's traveling through (conveniently, it seems that the Cleveland Orchestra will be opening the new $400,000,000 hall in Miami, rather than the now defunct Florida Philharmonic), but financial support for full-time musical organizations is not there. The Florida Symphony died quite awhile ago, replaced more recently by the per-service Orlando Philharmonic. The Florida Philharmonic went down a couple of years ago, and has been sort ofreplaced by a handful of per service semi chamber orchestras, all billing themselves as the sucessor of the FPO. Remaining in Florida are the Naples Philharmonic, which is a fairly small core orchestra who hires a good deal of extras for it's bigger programs (many of which are pops) and, to my knowledge, has not grown substantially since it's inception, the Jacksonville Symphony, which has a base salary of less than $30k a year and had financial troubles recently, and the Florida Orchestra in Tampa-St. Pete, which also pays a base salary below 30k, and has had to endure huge cuts in salary and benefits recently to stay afloat. Unfortunately, things are headed in the wrong direction down here.