cleveland audition?

danB · Post by **danB** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:50 pm

Anyone know?

Pete Link · Post by **Pete Link** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:05 pm

no winner

danB · Post by **danB** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:21 pm

maybe they are looking for a doubler who can play trombone as well.....

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anonymous4 · Post by **anonymous4** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:32 pm

Maybe they'll invite more people to come try out next time.

runelk · Post by **runelk** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 11:21 am

How many auditioned and who advanced if any?

Dave Y · Post by **Dave Y** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:19 pm

Who advanced?

anonymous4 · Post by **anonymous4** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 7:27 pm

The one who advanced was the Japanese player who plays in the Vienna Philharmonic. I don't know his name.

Pete Link · Post by **Pete Link** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 12:29 pm

The Japanese player who advanced was from the Vienna State Opera Orchestra. His name is Sugiyama. Craig Sutherland advanced too.
The above mentioned Japanese player(Hidehiro) was at the audition as well. In fact, I do believe there were a total of 4 Japanese players at this audition. Three of them got in on tapes. Great for news for Japan.

Pete

Alex Kidston · Post by **Alex Kidston** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 6:18 am

Clarification, out of respect for the tuba player in question, who I was fortunate to have met in May at an audition in Helsinki.

The Japanese tuba player who plays in the Vienna Philharmonic has not been offered renewal of his contract, therefore will not be offered tenure with the VPO. This has happened despite very strong support from players in the low brass section of the orchestra.

He is without question a superb tuba player (very classy orchestral sound on his Yorkbrunner) and a great person who is in an unfortunate position, hence his pursuit of jobs around the world. He did have a job in Japan and chose to look abroad, so more credit to him.

I hope this is of interest, however harsh it is!

Dave Y · Post by **Dave Y** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 4:05 pm

Does anyone have info pertaining to how this audition was run? As I understand it, Cleveland does things rather differently than most US orchestras, such as having the music director present for the entire audition, not just the final round.

Perhaps understanding how this audition was run would make the rest of us stop wondering what happened and just accept it?

Tubaman485 · Post by **Tubaman485** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 12:14 pm

I once read an article on the Cleveland orchestra and from what I have read it is not a blind audition, the determining factor is not appearance but musical compatibility, they dont look for the most virtuoso player but someone whose way of making music will best fit in with the Cleveland style.

That was pretty much straight of the Article "The Clevelanders"
by Charles Michener printed by The New Yorker, February 7, 2005. Really great article, I suggest everyone reads it.

JB

Tubaryan12 · Post by **Tubaryan12** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:11 pm

I would personally like to see more non-male non-clothed tuba players.

Yeah...what he said

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:07 am

Doc wrote:I would personally like to see more non-male non-clothed tuba players

I would personally like to see more non-male non-clothed non-tuba players!

UDELBR · Post by **UDELBR** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 4:07 pm

mandrake wrote:One has to wonder if it has something to do with the fact that he is Japanese (which would be unfortunate).

This happens more than you'd think in European jobs: anti-foreigner bias (regardless of whether the player has their working papers in order or not). I experienced this first hand in a recent NW European audition, where Americans simply weren't allowed (mainly because various Americans had sat in the tuba chair the last fifty years, to great success...). They simply decided it was time for one of their folks to win, and that's what happened.

Europeans let themselves think they've got a monopoly on playing orchestral music well. It's a self-serving myth.

Alex Kidston · Post by **Alex Kidston** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 9:10 am

Was that the Concertgebouw (sp?) audition?

Although on surface it appears like anti-American bias, there has been a subtle legal change in employment rules since the EU has been formalised.

Basically, all EU countries must audition EU passport holders, or people with work permits in the country in question, first. If no one suitable is found, then they are able to consider an international audition. This varies for different EU states, but is now pretty much a general rule.

From my understanding, it's the same as the AF of M "National" audition which orchestras in the US and Canada hold, ie where the audition is restricted to US or Canadian citizens, where applicable.

But, to make it more complicated, this change in EU legislation has definitely been accompanied by a rise in nationalism in the orchestral industry. With the increase in highly qualified players in every country, orchestras are much more likely to hire a fellow countryman (woman) than not. In fact, I recently saw an article in the Paris Opera band room protesting the recent appointment of a non-French principal trumpet (I think he is from Belgium or the Netherlands)!

Anyway, that's the view from over here.

UDELBR · Post by **UDELBR** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 11:30 am

Alex Kidston wrote: But, to make it more complicated, this change in EU legislation has definitely been accompanied by a rise in nationalism in the orchestral industry.

Nail on the head, Alex. It wasn't a question of not having the right paperwork (as that wasn't the case); more of an ugly informal nationalistic thing.

Tubaryan12 · Post by **Tubaryan12** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 12:18 pm

The Cleveland Plain Dealer did an article today on Ron Bishop. It states that his replacement is Yasuhito Sugiyama.

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