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Roger Bobo

PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:56 pm
by Peach
Two questions:
1. Did Mr Bobo exclusively use Miraphone 184 and 186's as Contrabass tubas in Orchestra through his career?
2. Apart from the Planets(!) could you name a few recordings that show off Mr Bobo at his best in the Orchestra.

Thanks!

Re: Roger Bobo

PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:13 pm
by Peach
Quick look on UK iTunes offers slim pickings:
Prok 5/Previn
Nielsen 4/Mehta
Tchaik 6/Giulini

And not a lot else...

Re: Roger Bobo

PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:43 pm
by Norm Pearson
He played a Mirafone 188 prototype around 1979-80 and a production 188 in starting in 1981

Norm Pearson

Re: Roger Bobo

PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:56 pm
by Peach
Norm Pearson wrote:He played a Mirafone 188 prototype around 1979-80 and a production 188 in starting in 1981

Norm Pearson


Great, thank you.
Thereafter did he tend to use the slightly bigger equipment? I know he had the Imperial Eb bell put on (one of?) his 184's.

Any must-have recordings at all?

Thanks again

Re: Roger Bobo

PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:41 am
by barry grrr-ero
Roger Bobo was never a 6/4 size player, if that's what you mean. I think the Nielen 4th with Mehta (Decca) shows him off to great effect. I haven't heard Bobo in Bruckner, but I could imagine him sounding awesome in Bruckner 4.

I could be wrong, but I think Bobo plays on many of the early Bernard Haitink/Amsterdam Concertgebouw Mahler recordings on Philips. If so, try Haitink's first Mahler 2 that he did. It's great. Mahler 7 too - the first one.

https://www.amazon.com/Eloq-Nielsen-Sym ... lsen+mehta

Re: Roger Bobo

PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:42 pm
by daktx2
His playing on Zubin Mehta's Tchaikovsky cycle is just awesome. Miraphone Power Sound!
And as a bonus, 1812 overture and March Slav are in this set as filler.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000E0LB90

And a fun one of him in the 80s (on the 188) is the DG Rhapsody in Blue / Symphonic Dances from West Side Story with Bernstein at the piano.
https://www.amazon.com/Gershwin-Rhapsody-Prelude-Bernstein-Symphonic/dp/B003L6WK62

Happy listening!

Re: Roger Bobo

PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 5:37 am
by Peach
barry grrr-ero wrote:Roger Bobo was never a 6/4 size player, if that's what you mean. I think the Nielen 4th with Mehta (Decca) shows him off to great effect. I haven't heard Bobo in Bruckner, but I could imagine him sounding awesome in Bruckner 4.

I could be wrong, but I think Bobo plays on many of the early Bernard Haitink/Amsterdam Concertgebouw Mahler recordings on Philips. If so, try Haitink's first Mahler 2 that he did. It's great. Mahler 7 too - the first one.

https://www.amazon.com/Eloq-Nielsen-Sym ... lsen+mehta" target="_blank


Thanks for these links.
No, I knew Mr Bobo never went 6/4. I was asking whether he tended toward the 188 once that was an option.

I'd love to hear his thoughts though on choice of tuba. I would guess he at least tried 6/4 horns as they gained in popularity but obviously not the sonic route he looked for.

Re: Roger Bobo

PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:15 am
by bloke
I believe that the clarity and audibility of his playing in the few orchestral recordings that we seem to have available to us - with the conservative-size equipment he chose to use - speaks volumes.

I've been trying to learn from his teaching-by-example. I believe some others (including some of my betters) are as well.

Re: Roger Bobo

PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 11:23 am
by kathott
I heard Mr. Bobo live on a few occasions: with LA, LA on tour, in recital, and in the single lesson I had with him. I enjoy the early LA recordings - some classic sounds.
In addition to some of those mentioned, my favorites include Arcana, Ives No.1 and the Wagner sessions with Leinsdorf.

Re: Roger Bobo

PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 12:38 am
by poomshanka
kathott wrote:Wagner sessions with Leinsdorf.


Unless I'm mistaken, the Wagner/Leinsdorf recording was Tommy Johnson playing on his Mirafone 190CC. I used to have a recording of it somewhere, but can't seem to find it. I might be able to tell if I listened to it. Tommy got a unique sound on his 190CC that's hard to mistake for anything else.

...Dave

Re: Roger Bobo

PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:45 am
by Mike-Johnson-Custom
Peach,
On one of the masterclasses Fletch gave when I was a student. He commented that Roger was the most exciting Tuba player in the business at the time!

Re: Roger Bobo

PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:46 pm
by Michael Bush
daktx2 wrote:His playing on Zubin Mehta's Tchaikovsky cycle is just awesome. Miraphone Power Sound!
And as a bonus, 1812 overture and March Slav are in this set as filler.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000E0LB90

I went straight to the fourth symphony. The first movement is breathtaking. The last four notes of the opening fanfare let you know what is to come. Thanks.

Re: Roger Bobo

PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:12 pm
by tuben
poomshanka wrote:
kathott wrote:Wagner sessions with Leinsdorf.


Unless I'm mistaken, the Wagner/Leinsdorf recording was Tommy Johnson playing on his Mirafone 190CC. I used to have a recording of it somewhere, but can't seem to find it. I might be able to tell if I listened to it. Tommy got a unique sound on his 190CC that's hard to mistake for anything else.

...Dave


That's what I was once told.

You should all find the Rite of Spring recording with Mehta & LAPO. Bobo and Johnson (I presume) are stunning. Perfect in every sense, and WILD HOT when called for.

This recording is more impressive for me than the Planets recording.

Re: Roger Bobo

PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:40 pm
by doublebuzzing
daktx2 wrote:His playing on Zubin Mehta's Tchaikovsky cycle is just awesome. Miraphone Power Sound!
And as a bonus, 1812 overture and March Slav are in this set as filler.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000E0LB90

And a fun one of him in the 80s (on the 188) is the DG Rhapsody in Blue / Symphonic Dances from West Side Story with Bernstein at the piano.
https://www.amazon.com/Gershwin-Rhapsody-Prelude-Bernstein-Symphonic/dp/B003L6WK62

Happy listening!


While I agree the tuba playing on the Tchaikovsky symphonies with Mehta is nice, the overall recordings themselves are some of the most underwhelming performances I've ever heard from a group of this stature. No excitement in Tchaikovsky! They are just going through the motions. Makes no sense. Having this be my first set of Tchaikovsky symphonies almost put me off to Tchaikovsky entirely. Very surprising from this group because at that time they made some extraordinary recordings such as the Mahler 3, 5, Strauss, etc.

Re: Roger Bobo

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:52 pm
by bloke
I was lucky enough to have heard the LAPO low brass section play excerpts in Memphis, Tennessee (when they were on tour in the very early 1980's).

Mr. Bobo only brought his B&S "Symphonie Modell" F tuba (the one he used on the "Tonight Show" appearances) to that demonstration. One piece they demonstrated was the opening to the Meistersinger Prelude (to the big G major cadence). It was exquisite, and Mr. Bobo did not "plow the ground", as I suspect he never did.

bloke "with little room for valid debate, the greatest tuba player the world has ever known"

Re: Roger Bobo

PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 12:41 am
by doublebuzzing
Here is Roger playing probably that B&S F and sounding like only he does: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC4DMdULlcc

Re: Roger Bobo

PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:00 am
by Norm Pearson
Roger did not get his B&S f tuba until the summer of 1980 after he wa a judge at the Markneukirchen Competition. It was probably his Mirafone 180 f tuba with a Besson bell or even his 184 CC wth a Besson bell.
Norm

Re: Roger Bobo

PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 3:08 pm
by barry grrr-ero
I know from second hand information that Roger Bobo equated the increase in cases of focal-dystonia, to the increase in usage of 6/4 size York copies. Again, that's second hand info, so it might not be quite right.

Re: Roger Bobo

PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:17 am
by Iliotuba
If Wikipaedia is correct, Mr. Bobo played for two years in the Concertgebouw Orchestra. Haitink made very few recordings during this period. It appears that the only work with tuba during this period was the Mahler 1st symphony.

Re: Roger Bobo

PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:24 am
by Iliotuba
Eugen Jochum was also a conductor of the Concertgebouw Orchestra during Mr. Bobo's time there. Mr. Bobo may be on their 1964 recording of Bruckner's 5th Symphony for Philips (now Decca)