Shallow.
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thedeep42
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Shallow.
So, some people like the biggest mouthpieces possible. I've looked at that.. Though I'm getting on ok with what I own for now, I wouldn't mind trying out something unconventionally shallow... For instance, I like the width of my pt-65 mouthpiece, but i'd be interested to see if there's anything for a large CC that would have that width but just a really shallow cup. ideas? even something with practically no depth of to the bowl at all (just enough for lip clearance). I'd like to try something that would give me a bit more of an F tuba texture and response to a CC. Horn's big enough, i have to push like crazy to make the horn go bright, it just gets a bit woofy... whatever the heck that means.
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poomshanka
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LOUD LM-10 and LM-12.
LM-10 is like a "C4/TU23 on steroids". Very direct sound, fairly shallow bowl-ish design. ID 33.5mm, throat bore 8.25mm, cup depth around 25.4mm.
The LM-12 is ULTRA shallow, with a flat bottom and dramatic undercut (2-3mm, adds some overall cubic volume to the cup). Huge throat and backbore, but with the cup building up so much compression, it plays surprisingly easy. If you try muscling this mouthpiece, it will shut down on you. Relax and let it do its thing. I can pretty much guarantee you've never seen anything like it. It can be comically extreme at times, especially in the low register. Joe Murphy's section uses this piece, and by his report, they are about the loudest contra line he's ever heard. Since you asked for shallow, I thought I'd gasbag a bit on the shallowest mouthpiece on the market (that I know of, anyway). ID 33.7mm, throat bore 8.76mm, cup depth around 16.5mm.
For reference, the C4/TU23 specs are ID 32.5mm, throat bore 7.5mm, and cup depth around 28mm. A Marcinkiewicz N4 specs out at ID 33.66, throat bore 7.67mm, and cup depth around 28mm. Understand that my cup depths DO NOT agree with some of the manufacturer's specs. I just measured using my calipers at what I felt was about the bottom of the cup. Use my numbers for relative comparison purposes only (LM10 vs. LM12 vs. C4/TU23 vs. N4).
I tried to get a couple shots for a "visual comparison". Not the greatest, but hopefully it helps illustrate some relative differences...
One additional thought is that if you suffer from any type of "mouthpiece allergies", the stainless might provide a solution to that...
...Dave
LM-10 is like a "C4/TU23 on steroids". Very direct sound, fairly shallow bowl-ish design. ID 33.5mm, throat bore 8.25mm, cup depth around 25.4mm.
The LM-12 is ULTRA shallow, with a flat bottom and dramatic undercut (2-3mm, adds some overall cubic volume to the cup). Huge throat and backbore, but with the cup building up so much compression, it plays surprisingly easy. If you try muscling this mouthpiece, it will shut down on you. Relax and let it do its thing. I can pretty much guarantee you've never seen anything like it. It can be comically extreme at times, especially in the low register. Joe Murphy's section uses this piece, and by his report, they are about the loudest contra line he's ever heard. Since you asked for shallow, I thought I'd gasbag a bit on the shallowest mouthpiece on the market (that I know of, anyway). ID 33.7mm, throat bore 8.76mm, cup depth around 16.5mm.
For reference, the C4/TU23 specs are ID 32.5mm, throat bore 7.5mm, and cup depth around 28mm. A Marcinkiewicz N4 specs out at ID 33.66, throat bore 7.67mm, and cup depth around 28mm. Understand that my cup depths DO NOT agree with some of the manufacturer's specs. I just measured using my calipers at what I felt was about the bottom of the cup. Use my numbers for relative comparison purposes only (LM10 vs. LM12 vs. C4/TU23 vs. N4).
I tried to get a couple shots for a "visual comparison". Not the greatest, but hopefully it helps illustrate some relative differences...
One additional thought is that if you suffer from any type of "mouthpiece allergies", the stainless might provide a solution to that...
...Dave
Last edited by poomshanka on Thu Dec 14, 2006 5:32 am, edited 2 times in total.
Dave Amason
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Watch the intonation. Back in school (PRE-dark-ages) I felt that I "had" to find out the same thing, so I bought a C4, cut off the rim, cut most of the remaining cup off, soldered the rim back on, and rounded out the cup. Bored it out.
And although it WAS good for playing on the staff full-on and loud, above and below it was a nightmare. Flat above, and sharp below.
I just kept removing stuff 'till it wouldn't work anywhere. Mostly I proved to myself that mouthpiece people earn their money.
And although it WAS good for playing on the staff full-on and loud, above and below it was a nightmare. Flat above, and sharp below.
I just kept removing stuff 'till it wouldn't work anywhere. Mostly I proved to myself that mouthpiece people earn their money.
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