Will there ever be any more American Eb's?

Bandmaster · Post by **Bandmaster** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:49 pm

TubaTinker wrote:'bout anything is possible.... given enough time and money. Or should I have said time and parts?

http://thevillagetinker.com/pan_america ... ersion.htm

But wouldn't my idea be a lot easier than splicing two 3 valve sections together and custom making the tuning slides?

ASTuba · Post by **ASTuba** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 9:08 pm

From my time dealing with Kanstul, they're thoughts on just selling a valve set would be:

"That's a tuba we can't make"

They may do it, but it wouldn't be cheap.

My concern would be that to trim a Kanstul 4 valve BBb valve set to Eb would be impossible. You'd be better off with buying a valve cluster, a lot of .689" bore tubing, and a bunch of crooks, and measuring, cutting, and fabricating your own set.

That's the only way grafting really will look best. If you try to slap something else on there, it will look simply like someone slapped something on there.*

* There are exceptions to this rule...

Dan Schultz · Post by **Dan Schultz** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 9:23 pm

Bandmaster wrote:
TubaTinker wrote:'bout anything is possible.... given enough time and money. Or should I have said time and parts?

http://thevillagetinker.com/pan_america ... ersion.htm
But wouldn't my idea be a lot easier than splicing two 3 valve sections together and custom making the tuning slides?

It depends. I had the parts and all I needed to add was labor. The parts for the conversion you are talking about might cost $1,500.

Bandmaster · Post by **Bandmaster** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 11:09 pm

ASTuba wrote:From my time dealing with Kanstul, they're thoughts on just selling a valve set would be:

"That's a tuba we can't make"

They may do it, but it wouldn't be cheap.

Well maybe I think that way because I know Zig, I host his website on my server. So I can swing a trade for parts and service against the web hosting bill. I did that on my 3 valve Kanstul contrabass bugle. Zig took out all the dents, buffed it, soldered up bad joints and put in three new pistons in trade for two years worth of web hosting. Well, that two years is now up...

ASTuba wrote:My concern would be that to trim a Kanstul 4 valve BBb valve set to Eb would be impossible. You'd be better off with buying a valve cluster, a lot of .689" bore tubing, and a bunch of crooks, and measuring, cutting, and fabricating your own set.

Who mentioned a BBb valve set? Go back and look at the photo I posted.... it is the Kanstul CC 3/4 Tuba. The BBb tuning slide is not the same and would not work in the fashion I discribed. But the CC tuba slides are laid out different and I think they might just work. Maybe I'll ask Zig at the NAMM Show next week.

ASTuba · Post by **ASTuba** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 9:07 am

Bandmaster wrote: Who mentioned a BBb valve set? Go back and look at the photo I posted.... it is the Kanstul CC 3/4 Tuba. The BBb tuning slide is not the same and would not work in the fashion I discribed. But the CC tuba slides are laid out different and I think they might just work. Maybe I'll ask Zig at the NAMM Show next week.

Ok, so sorry that I thought it was the BBb not the CC, but still. You've got to take a valveset and chop a slew of tubing off of it. It's not going to line up, no matter what your eyes think. Something will not work when you get everything in front of you. Better off buying the piston block, a bunch of .689" bore tubing and crooks, and make a valveset that looks original to the instrument.

A picture, for an example of a nicely finished project similar to this: [img]
http://www.dillonmusic.com/HeleoCart/Im ... /95041.jpg[/img]

Hope this clarifies what I was trying to say.

iiipopes · Post by **iiipopes** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 8:03 pm

Oh, yeah! You mean Matt's prototype for the 56J!

BTW: the link has the code [/img] at the end which must be deleted from the cut and paste for the link to work.

Hey, Sean -- please give us our edit buttttttttton back!