Orchestra, Concert Band or Brass Band

[AndyCat]

Brass Bands for me. The standard over here is so much higher than any other amateur music making especially in my area of the UK, as well as having the most challenging, consistent playtime and rewarding parts.
As regards having to play in a section, I think this is a benefit not a hinderance.
I do plenty of Orchestral, Opera, Big Band and a little wind band playing, but I get easily bored compared to playing in a brass band or 10 piece.

It'd be great if everyone could experience a top standard brass band and play in a good tuba section, as I understand other peoples opinions and choices may be because they haven't done this!

Anyway, just my opinion.

PS if anyone's around the Northwest of the UK anytime, I can fix up a blow in a good band, or a visit to one of the best.

[Tubaryan12]

I would much prefer a very small wind ensemble, 20-25 players.

Ditto. Its the best of both worlds. Alone or a very small section of tubists, with more notes to play.

[lgb&dtuba]

The world is a lot broader than just those 3 choices. Even for amateurs. So I say none of the above.

Jim "where're the beer and brats?" Wagner

[tubatooter1940]

Yes sir, I couldn't help but notice that boogie bands, banda etc... were not included but we who play steak houses and bars don't expect our minority? to be recognized due to the wide variation in quality of public performances. That's fine. Fame is localized and the pay is low.
I just wonder who really has the most fun performing. That's what I'm in it for (dangling participle).

[pwhitaker]

Along with Doc, TubaTooter et al the poll is too limited. For those of us who have eye problems Traditional Jazz, Polka bands and other groups that play head charts are the most fun.

The freedom of laying down your own bass line or improvisation gives me the largest satisfaction, even more than the 25+ years I played in an excellent Brass Quintet (with the same musicians.)

[Rick Denney]

Reason - the music is generally of a higher quality and in the orchestra the tuba is a solo instrument rather than the main bass.

Jonathon, you speak for me. The CD's in my machine are usually orchestral, because that's the music I love. The composers have been better for more years, providing a much richer repertoire. And the tuba gets to be the color instrument instead of the utility bass. I might not get to play as much, but the sounds are more satisfying.

Not that I have the opportunity to play in an orchestra. Few do. I have done so in the past and relish the experience of it.

A distant but still pleasing second is a concert band or wind ensemble that focuses on orchestra transcriptions. Transcriptions provide access to the rich repertoire of orchestras, but it is an imperfect access.

I do not make the judgment on the basis of how many notes I get to play. If I wanted to play more notes, I'd have taken up flute. I prefer quality of sound to quantity of notes. Give me a whole note that moves earth to technical wizardry any day, however much I may admire that wizardry in others.

I also do not care about competition. In fact, competitiveness annoys me. Music, for me, is not a sport. I do not wish to compete when playing music. I strive to match the sound in my head, perhaps, but that is not a competition but rather a drive to reach or exceed a personal standard. If the person next to me is better, I'll gladly lay out if that's the most musical decision for the sound of the ensemble. I greatly prefer playing in sections with better players than myself--I'd rather be a small part of a great band than a big part of a band no better than me. Both are vastly better than no involvement at all, of course.

And I didn't vote on the basis of specific groups, like, say, comparing my more favorable band experience with my least favorable orchestra experience. I've played in bands that drove me away in a month (usually because of schlocky musical programming and lazy performers--and those always seem to come together as a package), and others that are musically satisfying and challenging (whether or not they are really good). Ditto orchestras, though that database is much smaller.

Rick "a mediocre musician who nevertheless takes music seriously" Denney

[Donn]

Yes sir, I couldn't help but notice that boogie bands, banda etc... were not included but we who play steak houses and bars don't expect our minority? to be recognized due to the wide variation in quality of public performances. That's fine. Fame is localized and the pay is low.
I just wonder who really has the most fun performing. That's what I'm in it for (dangling participle).

(Preposition.) Is it about variation in quality? I've played in a few legit ensembles where you look out in the audience and wonder if there's anyone but friends and relatives of the band. I believe that's fairly common, among amateur legit ensembles. Fame and high pay are not something I associate with any kind of tuba playing, but if you take the average of tuba players in every legit ensemble in the US, I think you'd look like a rock star in comparison. And you get there by quality - you can't drag enough friends and relatives to those steak houses and bars to make it work. I'm not saying you're better than the local community college concert band that you couldn't pay people to listen to, I'm just saying that unlike them you're subject to an irreducible minimum standard of quality.

[windshieldbug]

What single ensemble would you choose?
Symphony Orchestra
Concert Band
Brass Band

Yes.

[Eupher6]

Just as an aside, not all brass bands compete. In spite of playing in brass bands for years, I managed to either avoid the competitions altogether or moved out of the area before the competition, or played in a band that just didn't compete.

But after having done a couple of them now (NABBA, in 2005 and 2006), it is an interesting experience.

It is NOT like performing. And it ratchets up the excitement level considerably.

YMMV.

[lgb&dtuba]

(Preposition.) Is it about variation in quality? I've played in a few legit ensembles where you look out in the audience and wonder if there's anyone but friends and relatives of the band. I believe that's fairly common, among amateur legit ensembles.

You've hit dead center on why I choose to play in an oom-pah band instead of a legit ensemble. The crowd feedback is just on an entirely different level. Much more interactive and enthusiastic. Not polite listening and golf claps from a captive audience. Much more improvisation allowed and encouraged. Something that's not really allowed in legit circles where it can be heresy to deviate from the score. I have played in brass quintets and community bands and enjoyed the experience, but there was never anything approaching the crowd feedback of what I do now.

For me, it's more about providing entertainment and less about technical pieces that only a musician can appreciate.

But, different strokes, and the question was what kind of group would we choose to play in. Whatever group one chooses I sincerely hope it's fun.

[MichaelDenney]

Good thread. I enjoy a couple of subsets of these choices, a tube-euph quartet and a traditional jazz group. One on a part, fast-growing repertoire in the former including transcriptions, good charts in the latter, some improvisation. And no one has told me to go get a smaller horn when I show up with the Holton!

[quinterbourne]

What single ensemble would you choose?
Symphony Orchestra
Concert Band
Brass Band

Yes.

Although I have no disagreement with your post, I must point out that I did not say what you quoted...

[lgb&dtuba]

Jim,

What would you say if I told you that the ensembles (whoa...big word!) you and I frequent are great because, by their nature, allow you the most freedom to be your musical self? Maximum expressiveness one can achieve and still remain in an ensemble setting/not be a soloist...? What say ye, oompah dude?

Doc

Why, I'd say I agree, of course

All that and beer, too. Life is good.

[drewfus]

Concert band, because where I live, there is no other choice.

[scottw]

I am really looking forward to my first brass 10-piece this Sunday. I have never played in one before, and my only experience at all is watching the German Brass Bach DVD with my jaw right between my shoes
We're doing a brass band-type format-
4 soprano things (cornet, flugelhorn, maybe Eb cornet)
2 tenor horns
2 trombones, tenor and bass
1 euphonium
1 Eb tuba (ALL my parts are for treble clef Eb)
1 drummer on some of them, not sure how many yet.

I would love to do the German Brass setup, but I don't have a BAT and I'm pretty sure the bass trombonist doesn't own a contra
I would also really like to do an orchestra-style brass choir some day (4-3-3-1).

Ah, that is a lot of fun! My most challenging group, the brass ensemble (4-3-4-1-2+perc) is also the most rewarding musically. The quality of the music overshadows the community bands with which I play. The tough part is finding music composed/arranged for that ensemble's instrumentation.

[Leland]

I'd guess 4 trumpets, 3 French horns, 4 trombones, 1 euph, and two-bas.

[Billy M.]

Prefer it for what?