Band pieces with 3 euphonium parts?

CrappyEuph · Post by **CrappyEuph** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:47 pm

The North Texas Wind Symphony is working on a piece by Carter Pann called "Slalom," and it has three different euphonium parts - no baritone, just euphonium I, II, and III. Today our conductor said that he'd never heard of any other piece that had three euphonium parts, so I was wondering if anyone here knows of any. Jenkins' "American Overture for Band" is the only one I can think of.

- Jamie

RyanMcGeorge · Post by **RyanMcGeorge** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:12 pm

The Rolf Rudin Bacchanale has 3 parts. Cool piece too, it's on the "Soundscapes" UNT cd. Much of the piece features a conical brass sextet consisting of 3 flugelhorns and 3 euphoniums giving the piece a very lush texture. I'm not sure if it's crappy enough for you though.....

(okay I'm officially a tubenet geek after that post)

ParLawGod · Post by **ParLawGod** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 11:31 pm

I'm sure you're probably talking about band tunes that are not euphonium features, but "Euphonius Marcus" (I believe that's the name of it, it's been a few years since I've played it) is a feature for euphonium trio...pretty neat too.

Dan Schultz · Post by **Dan Schultz** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:23 pm

The original Alfred composition of 'Colonel Bogey' is scored for 1st & 2nd Bb treble clef baritones as well as treble clef and bass clef euphoniums.

Chuck(G) · Post by **Chuck(G)** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:02 am

"Danses Miniatures de Ballet" by John Ansell, from sometime around 1900.

Chuck(G) · Post by **Chuck(G)** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:05 am

TubaTinker wrote:The original Alfred composition of 'Colonel Bogey' is scored for 1st & 2nd Bb treble clef baritones as well as treble clef and bass clef euphoniums.

Dunno, Dan, that may just be a reflection of British band music. Brass Bands have 2 euphs and 2 baritones; I suspect British military bands fare similarly.

PolkaNoble · Post by **PolkaNoble** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:50 pm

"Blasmusik", German wind band music, calls for three "tenorhorn" parts and a "Bariton". The German tenorhorns are small conical bore instruments reading Bb treble clef exactly like out "baritone treble clef parts". It is possible to play these parts on euphonium and I have done it many times. The tessatura is high, especially on the 1st part, and some may have endurance problems with a large bore euph. There is a little difference in the tone also, but it is possible for a euphonium to sound completely authentic on these parts. The "Bariton" is in non transposing bass clef and is meant to be played on a euphonium.

1st tenorhorn and bariton are mid range solo voices that are very important to the Blasmusik sound, and they are used a lot. 2nd and 3rd tenorhorns mostly reinforce the horn section with after beats.

Occationally, all four will combine into a true quartet ensemble.

When they do, could this be what you are looking for?

This usage is standard in Germany, Austria. Alsace (they like to think they are not part of France OR Germany), Czeck Republic and probably several other places.

Bob Mosso · Post by **Bob Mosso** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:35 pm

PolkaNoble wrote:German wind band music...

We have a German concert march in our folder, "Grub"...something.

3 Tenorhorns and 2 Baritons. I got the 1st Tenorhorn part, perhaps I should grab a smaller mouthpiece to get the correct sound.

PolkaNoble · Post by **PolkaNoble** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 3:43 pm

Ya know--
You can get by with the 1st tenorhorn and the baritone with many-if not most- of these if you have a strong french horn section.

Just look over the parts and score an be sure nothing is left out. This style requires a strong afterbeat.

There is a whole series of German marches that start with "Gruss" With the German Double s. Various Composers.

The next word is the name of a city or region or, more rarely, an organization or other group of people.

Gruss in this context is translated to "greetings to" or "hello" The march may contain regional tunes or may be entirely the composer's work. Some of these are really well known and are favorite marches in Germany.

Titles like "Gruss Hamborg", "Gruss Vien" (Vienna)

Bob Mosso · Post by **Bob Mosso** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:57 pm

Okay, I'm home and looking in my folio:

GruB der Heimat, Gewidmet Herrn Oberlehrer Robert Rohr, Konzertmarsch, von H. Freivogel.

And my memory is coming back... 3 tenor horn parts in Bb TC, the guy to my left is playing Bariton in Bb TC, and, two BC euphonium parts.

Eupher6 · Post by **Eupher6** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:29 pm

Chuck(G) wrote:
TubaTinker wrote:The original Alfred composition of 'Colonel Bogey' is scored for 1st & 2nd Bb treble clef baritones as well as treble clef and bass clef euphoniums.
Dunno, Dan, that may just be a reflection of British band music. Brass Bands have 2 euphs and 2 baritones; I suspect British military bands fare similarly.

I've gigged fairly often with various British military bands and aside from the Scots (the Black Watch comes to mind) with all their pipes, the actual bands are small - probably about 22 or so.

The British military bands I gigged with NEVER had a British baritone in them. Brass consisted of cornets (Bb exclusively - no Eb sopranos), French horns, trombones, euphs, and tubas and precious few of each of these.

Gotta make room for the woodwinds.

Eupher6 · Post by **Eupher6** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:32 pm

FWIW, the "ess-tzet" can be made on your computer by pressing and holding the alt key, then typing 225 on your numeric keypad, making sure your NumLock is turned on. This results in:

ÃŸ

Thus, you can create "GruÃŸ" and have it look like you speaka da Deutsch!

Chuck(G) · Post by **Chuck(G)** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:46 am

Or, you can simply set your keyboard locale to "US International" and you don't even have to touch the keypad keys "ÃŸ" is ctrl-alt-s. "Ã¼" is quote-u . You can even make Â«GÃ¤nsefuÃŸchenÂ» with ctrl-alt- right and left bracket.

Accents are easy: Ã¡Ã Ã£Ã¢. Even "real" quotations are easy: â€˜like thisâ€™ (ctrl-alt-left or right paren). Even Ã§ Ã± are just two keystrokes.

Try it!

Eupher6 · Post by **Eupher6** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 10:31 am

Chuck(G) wrote:Or, you can simply set your keyboard locale to "US International" and you don't even have to touch the keypad keys "ÃŸ" is ctrl-alt-s. "Ã¼" is quote-u . You can even make Â«GÃ¤nsefuÃŸchenÂ» with ctrl-alt- right and left bracket.

Accents are easy: Ã¡Ã Ã£Ã¢. Even "real" quotations are easy: â€˜like thisâ€™ (ctrl-alt-left or right paren). Even Ã§ Ã± are just two keystrokes.

Try it!

Bloke presumes, of course, that we're actually in the 21st Century! (I'm still dealing with Win95!

)

Just to be a hair persnickety, and thus incurring the wrath of Bloke, a truly fiercesome critter as I've observed

, GÃ¤nsefÃ¼ÃŸchen would be correct. The Ã¼ is used with the diminuitive "chen."

Chuck(G) · Post by **Chuck(G)** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 1:22 pm

Eupher6 wrote:Bloke presumes, of course, that we're actually in the 21st Century! (I'm still dealing with Win95! )

It's there in Win95. Go to Settings->Control Panel->Keyboard->Language->Language Properties and select "United States International" in the drop-down menu. I don't remember if this was in Windows 3.1, but it certainly was in NT 3.51. It's a pretty old feature.

But what does Bloke have to do with this?

sinfonian · Post by **sinfonian** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 1:45 pm

Three of four years ago at the Wheaton Band Festival (in Wheaton IL) I heard the Fox Valley Concert Band do an arrangement of Bugler's Holiday for 3 Euphoniums. Does that count?

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:08 pm

Chuck(G) wrote:But what does Bloke have to do with this?

You've adopted a "bloke-looking" avatar (or at least, one with less-hair-on-the-back than his 'Rosie') so it's all YOUR fault...

Rick F · Post by **Rick F** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 3:14 pm

TubaTinker wrote:The original Alfred composition of 'Colonel Bogey' is scored for 1st & 2nd Bb treble clef baritones as well as treble clef and bass clef euphoniums.

This is one of my favorite pieces to play. This arrangement is for concert band.

Eupher6 · Post by **Eupher6** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:05 am

Chuck(G) wrote:
Eupher6 wrote:Bloke presumes, of course, that we're actually in the 21st Century! (I'm still dealing with Win95! )
It's there in Win95. Go to Settings->Control Panel->Keyboard->Language->Language Properties and select "United States International" in the drop-down menu. I don't remember if this was in Windows 3.1, but it certainly was in NT 3.51. It's a pretty old feature.

But what does Bloke have to do with this?

Oops! Sorry Chuck!

I thought Bloke posted what you posted. Duh.

But at work where I occasionally post, they haven't upgraded software in a coupla dozen years. Actually, I did look in Control Panel. But as I recall, I was looking for "English International" not "US International".

I'll try again Monday.

Damn, I'm batting zero today.