2165 different from 2165L

ThomasP · Post by **ThomasP** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 10:36 pm

I was just looking at BBC's website http://www.baltimorebrass.net/index.php?cat=5 and noticed a difference in a 2165 and 2165L. Are they the same horn? the 5th valve is different. Picture mistake?

2165 Picture - http://www.baltimorebrass.net/pic.php?id=407

2165L Picture - http://www.baltimorebrass.net/pic.php?id=143

Disclaimer...I am in no way accusing Baltimore Brass of doing anything on purpose, I am merely curious about the difference in the horns. Perhaps there are things different with the Deck horns and 2165L's

UDELBR · Post by **UDELBR** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:06 am

Thomas' pictures are of a 5 bow horn, while Gregs are of a 3 bow (open wrap). The 5 bow was the predecessor to the 2165.

Tubanese · Post by **Tubanese** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:50 am

Yeah, I heard that there are about 5 different variations of 2165.

rascaljim · Post by **rascaljim** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:59 am

I may be pointing out the obvious, but I believe the L refers to lacquer. Just like S refers to silver plate.

ThomasP · Post by **ThomasP** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:56 am

Perhaps L does mean lacquer, but there's an obvious difference with the 5th valve placement.

joshwirt · Post by **joshwirt** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:43 pm

I have played on the 'stage' horn that you speak of. Its been a few years, but its a fantastic example of the 2165. Very good scale and great response for a 6/4 instrument. That horn plays WAY better than the stock instruments. I like MY 2165 too much though.....

-Josh

UDELBR · Post by **UDELBR** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:17 pm

the elephant wrote:This may be a one-off that was custom done. I have never seen a 5 loop 2165 before.

Again, it's not a 2165. It's its predecessor, a M/W copy of Don Little's Holton (forgotten the old M/W model number...), before Warren got ahold of it and made a bunch of changes, including dispensing with 2 bows.

It's simply a mislabeling by Baltimore Brass.

UDELBR · Post by **UDELBR** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:47 am

the elephant wrote:BTW, the BBb is a 345.

I meant the model number for the Meinl-Weston copy of Don's Holton. The copy was a righteous production model for awhile, and more than a few were sold.