Brass Band transposition tips

[imperialbari]

[tuba.bobby]

So, every valved instrument doesn't use cornet fingerings.

Yes, they do.

No, they don't. Most tubas, euphoniums and baritones playing in brass Bands use the fourth valve. Cornets do not have a fourth valve. The fingerings are not the same.

Also, many of the brass band BBb parts I have played go well below E natural.

Yes, they do. Think of your fourth valve as playing 1+3 with a trigger. Like iipopes said, within cornet range theres only four notes you use it for.

Plus, at least in the UK, four valve baritones are rare in brass band, and the part never calls for anything lower than F#s

[Mark]

Yes? That "fourth valve" just switches to the echo bell.

[Donn]

This seems like a pretty narrow distinction, if anything is going to depend on it. I imagine everyone understood the original point, that the principle behind the band transposition thing is to transpose the music according to the natural key of the instrument so that the relationship between notation and valves is consistent.

And everyone agrees that this is true, right? So this fascinating discussion boils down to how much variation in fingering techniques we can accept and still call it "the same", and the only outcome is that we might agree that an account of above mentioned principle might or might not be able to use the words "the same". Personally, in the interest of economy of verbiage, I'd be willing to allow that.