Some odd questions from Portugal.

[Anterux]

How to pronounce in English "tuba" and "tubist"?
like "tube-uh" or like "too-buh"? or something else?

"tube-east"? or "too-beast"?

other thing:

what is considered Pedal notes for a tuba? the fundamental notes? or below F# (in a CC)?

yet one more question:

I hear in this forum something like this:
"I have a 5 octave range and I heard of someone that has a 7 octave range (like the piano?!?!?!)

what do you consider a five octave range? being able to play 5 different Bb (or any other note)? or being able to actualy play 5 different octaves? (for that you must be able to play 6 different Bb(or any other note) no?)

sorry for my english.

[Chuck(G)]

Tubist = TOO bist. (Very much like German "Du bist")

Pedals are generally considered to be the false fundamental an octave below the 2nd partial. So on a CC tuba, the highest pedal would be the CCC just below the 5th ledger line below the bass staff.

As far as the octave thing goes, I think that's largely subject to individual ego and interpretation.

[scottw]

What Chuck said + "TOO-buh for pronounciatiation of tuba. And, yes, there is a lot of ego that speaks around here as to the individual's "range"! I suppose we are to be in awe of the number of octaves? lol

[Anterux]

Pedals are generally considered to be the false fundamental an octave below the 2nd partial. So on a CC tuba, the highest pedal would be the CCC just below the 5th ledger line below the bass staff.

I agree that we should consider the higher pedal tone an octave below the 2nd partial.
that is the real fundamental. not a false fundamental, no?

I sometimes (in 3 valve tubas) I use a false partial between fundamental and 2nd partial. that is what we call a false partial, isnt it? I comes in handy sometimes and in some tubas it sounds quite clear.

I think that sometimes we dont have a consensus (?) on some nomenclature (?) and it can cause some confusion. to me it causes, maybe because of language but probably not only...

[Chuck(G)]

I agree that we should consider the higher pedal tone an octave below the 2nd partial.
that is the real fundamental. not a false fundamental, no?

Oh, now you've gone and done it! People will be trying to refute the following for days. But here goes:

The fundamental of a conical instrument like the tuba is present, but non-resonant. On a BBb tuba, it lies somewhere around the Eb below pedal BBb. The "false tone" Eb is actually the 2nd partial of the fundamental. The "pedal" BBb is really a false resonance.

For more infomation:

http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/~jw/brassac ... html#pedal

Yes, it's confusing.

[Chuck(G)]

What Chuck said + "TOO-buh for pronounciatiation of tuba. And, yes, there is a lot of ego that speaks around here as to the individual's "range"! I suppose we are to be in awe of the number of octaves? lol

Hmmm, must be a regionalism here. I say "TOO Bah" with the last syllable rhyming with 'Ah! That's more like it".

IOW, not far off from the Latin pronounciation of the word. I suppose the use of the "uh" ending is prevalent in some parts of the country.

But then, I say "jewel-ry", "FEB roo airy" and "NEW clee er". So I probably don't reflect popular dialect.

[Anterux]

Anterux wrote:

I agree that we should consider the higher pedal tone an octave below the 2nd partial.
that is the real fundamental. not a false fundamental, no?

chuck wrote:

Oh, now you've gone and done it! People will be trying to refute the following for days. But here goes:

The fundamental of a conical instrument like the tuba is present, but non-resonant. On a BBb tuba, it lies somewhere around the Eb below pedal BBb. The "false tone" Eb is actually the 2nd partial of the fundamental. The "pedal" BBb is really a false resonance.

For more infomation:

http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/~jw/brassac ... html#pedal

Yes, it's confusing.

He He!

not confusing at all!!! putting it that way I must admit it's news to me. but makes perfect sence! I was experiencing with tubes and instruments and I supected that, in pratice, things were'nt as simple as they teach me in acoustics class.
Chuck, thank you for opening my eyes. I will study more of this interesting case.

[Anterux]

BUMP

opinions on how to consider pedal notes?