Advice on smaller horns?
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Heavy_Metal
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Re: Advice on smaller horns?
This tuba found just the right owner- congratulations! 
Principal tuba, Bel Air Community Band
Old (early 1900s?) Alexander BBb proto-163
1976 Sonora (B&S 101) 4-rotor BBb
1964 Conn 20J/21J BBb (one body, both bells)
~1904 York 3P BBb Helicon
Old Alex Comp.F, in shop
Old (early 1900s?) Alexander BBb proto-163
1976 Sonora (B&S 101) 4-rotor BBb
1964 Conn 20J/21J BBb (one body, both bells)
~1904 York 3P BBb Helicon
Old Alex Comp.F, in shop
- bigtubby
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Re: Advice on smaller horns?
Spent some quality time with the valve transmissions today, the little horn keeps getting better and better.
In taking the transmissions apart I learned that this thing was really hand made: The stanchions are absolutely not interchangable. They fit in the bridge with a double dovetail: a "normal" dovetail to hold them down and a taper end to end so that they will only slide in from one side. It looks as if each dovetail was cut by hand with a file since they each only fit in one place. The other "old tech" detail is that every piece of tubing was made from flat stock, including inner and outer slide legs.
I don't know how useful that is for dating the tuba. The use of old technology can persist long after new technology, in this case machined standardized parts, is in use. It's also possible that Shuster or whoever the actual maker was purchased valves and actions from a supplier. It is well documented that Besson/Boosey did this.
In taking the transmissions apart I learned that this thing was really hand made: The stanchions are absolutely not interchangable. They fit in the bridge with a double dovetail: a "normal" dovetail to hold them down and a taper end to end so that they will only slide in from one side. It looks as if each dovetail was cut by hand with a file since they each only fit in one place. The other "old tech" detail is that every piece of tubing was made from flat stock, including inner and outer slide legs.
I don't know how useful that is for dating the tuba. The use of old technology can persist long after new technology, in this case machined standardized parts, is in use. It's also possible that Shuster or whoever the actual maker was purchased valves and actions from a supplier. It is well documented that Besson/Boosey did this.
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- sousaphone68
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Re: Advice on smaller horns?
The updates are great please keep them coming with photos please.
The update with the photo of the reverse side is very interesting it shows great details like the bottom bow seam.
The update with the photo of the reverse side is very interesting it shows great details like the bottom bow seam.
Cant carry a tune but I can carry a tuba.


- bigtubby
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Re: Advice on smaller horns?
One of the kind souls over on Horn-U-Copia found an engraving in the 1900 Schuster catalog. He said that it is listed as the "Army" model and was available in BBb and CC. The one in the engraving looks like a CC to me - plus appears to have a 1+3 tuned 4th valve instead of the 2+3 mine came with. Pretty sure that this is the same model though.
If anyone has one in CC I'd love to see it!

Another bit of information indirectly from the Markneukirchen museum: Schuster is listed as a manufacturer "before and after 1900" so the stencils of this name must have come later?
If anyone has one in CC I'd love to see it!

Another bit of information indirectly from the Markneukirchen museum: Schuster is listed as a manufacturer "before and after 1900" so the stencils of this name must have come later?
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Re: Advice on smaller horns?
And I thought that I had posted a front view of this little gem here but hadn't. For comparison with the presumed CC catalog engraving:sousaphone68 wrote:The updates are great please keep them coming with photos please.
The update with the photo of the reverse side is very interesting it shows great details like the bottom bow seam.

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