Post a pic of the coolest tuba modification you have seen
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If "coolest" includes "utilitarian," then converting the top loop of the 1st valve circuit of a Conn souzy into a moveable slide has to rank right in there.
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I really enjoyed the series you posted during the process. I found it inspirational. Not for the skills of a tuba tech but just the general craftsmanship and process. I don't work on tubas but work on other things (cameras, motorcycles, radios) and seeing what you accomplished with what you had to work with was great.the elephant wrote:I will toot my own horn here a bit, heh, heh, heh...
This is the coolest mod I have seen because *I* did it. Thank goodness for my dial calipers, bench motor, jeweler's saw and acetylene torch!
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Flatland low brass.
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But seriously, take Dr Fred Young's chromatic King/Gronitz double tuba.
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If you search the topic 'double tuba', Tommy Johnson's Yamaha 822 d.t. will come up. Here's my understanding of it.
Tommy had an old German 'double tuba' sitting around that had that really long cross-over valve on it. In the photo, you'll see that same valve is placed laterally near the bell. It opens up the air to extra tubing that basically makes the low register play something like CC tuba fingerings. The idea was simply make it easier to play rapidly in the low register. Rob Stewart in L.A. did the work. My understanding is that Yamaha did show some interest in developing this, but nothing has come of it (as far as I know). I might have this part wrong, but I think there was a second one of these made as well (?). I know no idea what recordings Tommy used this instrument on. My understanding is that he used his Miraphone 190 CC quite a bit in his last two decades. When I studied briefly with Tommy in the latter '70s, he had a do-everything 185 that was a great tuba. I think he felt it was a bit small for the big movies that were coming out with large and heavy low brass sections in them.
Tommy had an old German 'double tuba' sitting around that had that really long cross-over valve on it. In the photo, you'll see that same valve is placed laterally near the bell. It opens up the air to extra tubing that basically makes the low register play something like CC tuba fingerings. The idea was simply make it easier to play rapidly in the low register. Rob Stewart in L.A. did the work. My understanding is that Yamaha did show some interest in developing this, but nothing has come of it (as far as I know). I might have this part wrong, but I think there was a second one of these made as well (?). I know no idea what recordings Tommy used this instrument on. My understanding is that he used his Miraphone 190 CC quite a bit in his last two decades. When I studied briefly with Tommy in the latter '70s, he had a do-everything 185 that was a great tuba. I think he felt it was a bit small for the big movies that were coming out with large and heavy low brass sections in them.
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Tommy Johnson’s Walzentuba is a compensating double tuba. The compensating valve loops do not sit in the CC addition loop, which is activated by the original 5th valve rotor, the action of which is coupled with that of the 4-story Walzen rotor. The Walzenrotor adds the compensating loops to their respective F-side valve loop.
This Lehmann system was invented for compensating double horns. I have such a horn by Lidl. The low F-side range is amazingly good. The main problem with this system is that the 2nd valve loop of the Bb-side cannot be adjusted lengthwise.
Klaus
This Lehmann system was invented for compensating double horns. I have such a horn by Lidl. The low F-side range is amazingly good. The main problem with this system is that the 2nd valve loop of the Bb-side cannot be adjusted lengthwise.
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Here's last month's project: a 20J with a chinese valve section. It works!
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What is the valve set on that helicon? Looks amazing.
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Thanks...
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Not American, therefore it isn’t a Conntraption.
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Far and away not the "coolest" but a couple of very practical modifications:
A year or so ago I ended my search for a small tuba by acquiring a 19th Century Schuster "Army" model that was in very good condition and almost 100% complete.
The one problem was the fact that the 4th valve was tuned to the old German "2+3" pitch. Since this was to be a player, I fabricated a 4th valve slide long enough to make it play the modern "1+3" pitch.
More recently I purchased a King 1258 raincatcher sousaphone, also in excellent condition. This is a great player with a great voice but I thought that a bell front option would be nice - to save owning something like a 1250/2350 as well. I grafted a straight bell that Dan sent me onto it but decided that the horn simply wasn't suited for use as a helicon (the first branch's end points too low so the bell ended up approaching the horizontal.
Recently I dug an old King 25" sousaphone bell out of storage at the request of a someone interested in buying it. Around the time that their communications dried up I began putting two and two together.
King's economy of design (some of their designs are largely unchanged from the early 20th Century until very recently) began sinking in and I found a 2350 whose first and second branches had been buffed to paper thinness, later failing in a spectacular manner. With the bell bow from this carcass, I only had to fabricate a tenon to fit into the raincatcher's bell receiver.
When I get it finished up I will have the sousaphone equivalent of a 2341 with both bells.
Since this is American I guess for Klaus it will have to be a Kingtraption.
I like old horns and dislike making permanent alterations to them. In both of these mods the instruments are utterly unchanged and the mods can be reversed without a trace by simply removing the new parts and replacing them with the originals.
A year or so ago I ended my search for a small tuba by acquiring a 19th Century Schuster "Army" model that was in very good condition and almost 100% complete.
The one problem was the fact that the 4th valve was tuned to the old German "2+3" pitch. Since this was to be a player, I fabricated a 4th valve slide long enough to make it play the modern "1+3" pitch.
More recently I purchased a King 1258 raincatcher sousaphone, also in excellent condition. This is a great player with a great voice but I thought that a bell front option would be nice - to save owning something like a 1250/2350 as well. I grafted a straight bell that Dan sent me onto it but decided that the horn simply wasn't suited for use as a helicon (the first branch's end points too low so the bell ended up approaching the horizontal.
Recently I dug an old King 25" sousaphone bell out of storage at the request of a someone interested in buying it. Around the time that their communications dried up I began putting two and two together.
King's economy of design (some of their designs are largely unchanged from the early 20th Century until very recently) began sinking in and I found a 2350 whose first and second branches had been buffed to paper thinness, later failing in a spectacular manner. With the bell bow from this carcass, I only had to fabricate a tenon to fit into the raincatcher's bell receiver.
When I get it finished up I will have the sousaphone equivalent of a 2341 with both bells.
Since this is American I guess for Klaus it will have to be a Kingtraption.
I like old horns and dislike making permanent alterations to them. In both of these mods the instruments are utterly unchanged and the mods can be reversed without a trace by simply removing the new parts and replacing them with the originals.
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That "Kingtraption" is fantastic! I love raincatchers, and that's even better that you can convert it without harming the original configuration.
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I stumbled upon this e-book, which may be relevant to this thread. It looks as if it describes compensating systems and other design questions. I haven't had time to read it all myself - with luck I'll have time to get into the tuba relevant sections next week, but it looks like a goldmine of ageing musical trivia
http://books.google.ca/books?id=LNsPAAA ... g=PA193&dq
http://books.google.ca/books?id=LNsPAAA ... g=PA193&dq
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