CSO York first 4+1?

[bort]

For clarity, what year were the CSO Yorks built?

[Paul Scott]

I believe that the Chicago Yorks were built in 1933. I also remember seeing a King CC, (factory, not cut ) with 5 piston valves. My memory is a little hazy but the 5th valve was operated with the left hand somehow. I don't recall if the 5th valve was a whole step or not (and something tells me that the 4th valve might have equalled 2-3). That horn would have dated from the 20s or 30s and had a detachable bell. I believe that Warren Deck had some connection with this tuba. Anyone else remember this instrument ?

While not a 4 piston-1 rotor setup I think you could still call this horn a 4+1 (still equals 5 ).

[UDELBR]

I also remember seeing a King CC, (factory, not cut ) with 5 piston valves. My memory is a little hazy but the 5th valve was operated with the left hand somehow. I don't recall if the 5th valve was a whole step or not (and something tells me that the 4th valve might have equalled 2-3). That horn would have dated from the 20s or 30s and had a detachable bell. I believe that Warren Deck had some connection with this tuba. Anyone else remember this instrument ?.

I saw this horn at Warren's back in the 80s.

[roweenie]

I also remember seeing a King CC, (factory, not cut ) with 5 piston valves. My memory is a little hazy but the 5th valve was operated with the left hand somehow. I don't recall if the 5th valve was a whole step or not (and something tells me that the 4th valve might have equalled 2-3). That horn would have dated from the 20s or 30s and had a detachable bell. I believe that Warren Deck had some connection with this tuba. Anyone else remember this instrument ?.

I saw this horn at Warren's back in the 80s.

I'd be very interested in seeing that set up....

[Mikelynch]

Unclebeer is correct on all counts. The 4th valve on the discussed King (one of Fred Geib's instruments) is a 2-3, like all the rest of Geib's tubas, apparently due to that being the common configuration on the Sanders, as Geib played early on; and the 5th valve is a 4th.

Bill Rose's first CC tuba was a similar Sander with a 2-3 4th valve. He had played that for 15 years or so, and as a result, when he then moved to Mirafones and a Holton, he always had the 4th slide cut to a M3rd. He said he had played on that setup for so long, that a conventional 4th configuration would just mess him up. Unlike Geib, Bill never owned a 5 valve horn (or an F for that matter).

[UDELBR]

The 4th valve on the discussed King (one of Fred Geib's instruments) is a 2-3, like all the rest of Geib's tubas, apparently due to that being the common configuration on the Sanders

Not just Sanders either. My 4th valve on my 6-valve Couesnon French tuba was also 2+3 (till I took a hacksaw to it!)

[Mikelynch]

That's unusual for a French tuba. Most that I know of have the 3rd V as a major third. Keeps the riff raff away from wanting to borrow your horn.

[UDELBR]

That's unusual for a French tuba. Most that I know of have the 3rd V as a major third.

You're absolutely right Mike: I started drinking too early today (is that even possible?). The 3rd valve was a major third.

[Z-Tuba Dude]

...have the 3rd V as a major third. Keeps the riff raff away from wanting to borrow your horn.