Alexander 163 Vs Kalison Daryl Smith Bookmark and Share

The bulk of the musical talk
Forum rules
Reminder: "Go fund me" requests are not allowed and should be reported. All requests will be deleted.

Re: Alexander 163 Vs Kalison Daryl Smith

Postby pauvog1 » Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:28 am

Northernlb wrote:I would choose the Kalison, if it is one of the good ones. There is some variation in how these were made since they were hand made in Italy. If you get one of the great ones like I have it will be a great tuba forever and will serve you very well. Also the addition of the five valves, the construction of the instrument, and easy slide reach make this a very well designed tuba.

I use the Kalison all of the time for playing and always get compliments on my sound, tuning, and intonation. I am surprised they have been forgotten, but I believe that is because there were not many made and they do not come up for sale that often anymore.


I havent played either horn. If we are referring to the ones at Dillon, then maybe the OP should call Matt and just ask. He's a great guy and super honest & informative about what he sells.

That being said, if I were to pick between an old Alex or a DS, sight unseen, I'd probably pick a DS as well. I like mine. I've noticed more variation from the large Kalison tubas than the DS.
Kalison DS
B&S PT-18p (MRP F)

FS: Stofer Geib, Euro shank viewtopic.php?f=4&t=88053
pauvog1
4 valves
4 valves
 
Posts: 916
Joined: Sun Aug 02, 2009 11:13 am

Re: Alexander 163 Vs Kalison Daryl Smith

Postby Jonathan Fowler » Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:21 pm

I was at Dillon music a few weeks back and played the Alex 163. I did not play the DS so my bear that in mind - I was looking to compare this Alex (an older one) to my relatively new one. That being said, it is an awesome horn and has good intonation. It has a ton of the Alex charm in the sound, perhaps a more horn-like sound than mine. The receiver, if I recall, was quite large, so my PS02 did not fit properly, although I did borrow one of theirs (Dillon G - something) that happened to work really well with the horn.
The low range was quite quick and easy to light up - this is a very responsive instrument. I'd buy it, were I in the market, except for the fact that I'd be afraid to mess with the 4-valve configuration.
Jonathan Fowler
pro musician
pro musician
 
Posts: 220
Joined: Wed Mar 24, 2004 9:32 am
Location: West Chester, PA

Re: Alexander 163 Vs Kalison Daryl Smith

Postby bigboymusic » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:24 pm

It appears the Alex has been purchased... did it win out???
Paul Weissenborn
St. Joseph Symphony Orchestra (MO)
Spirit of Independence Band
SJSO Quintet
YEB 321S (the best one I've ever played!)
Holton 340
User avatar
bigboymusic
3 valves
3 valves
 
Posts: 339
Joined: Fri Mar 19, 2004 8:54 am
Location: Independence, MO

Re: Alexander 163 Vs Kalison Daryl Smith

Postby mctuba1 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:41 pm

I purchased the Alex, great price and this is one pf the better 163 horns. There are a few experiments i will be doing on this one, basically i will be adding a 5th valve doing a similar design to the other Alex i jabe.
Tom McGrady
MACK Brass of Virginia LLC
Email: Sales@mackbrass.com
http://www.mackbrass.com" target="_blank
804-926-7707
mctuba1
TubeNet Sponsor
TubeNet Sponsor
 
Posts: 681
Joined: Fri Apr 09, 2004 7:22 am
Location: Virginia

Re: Alexander 163 Vs Kalison Daryl Smith

Postby bloke » Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:04 pm

Tom is the "Alex guy" whereas Dan is the "Marzan guy".

bloke is the "posts way too often" guy.
User avatar
bloke
musician/technician/innovator
musician/technician/innovator
 
Posts: 41032
Joined: Sat May 08, 2004 6:04 pm
Location: western Tennessee

Re: Alexander 163 Vs Kalison Daryl Smith

Postby mctuba1 » Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:21 am

Alex Update.

First off, its not a good horn its a great effin tuba. Right off the bat the intonation on this one is not an issue what so ever, no alternate fingerings are needed by me at all amd lipping is minimal. First thing i did notice was the sound or focus just after the attack could be more focused, this is comparing to mine, and i am positive its due to the huge tube they call a leadpipe. Right now i am laying out parts to add a 5th and change the leadpipe.

The major difference between the newer alex and the vintage is the sound and the response on the front end of the attack. The newer alex has the better front end response but the vintage alex still has more depth in the sound. Finding a vintage alex with modern type intonation, priceless.

Just a note on the DS, gain i can su this as a former owner, they are good but they dont have the sound and there is no comparison to the low register of the older Alexander tubas.

Modern Alex tubas use a totally different much smaller valve. Take a valve from a pt6, a new alex, and a Jinbao 410 and do some comparisons, same valve. Heck, if you like the jinbao valve cap better, you can use them on the B&S or Alex, threads and size are oddly perfect, not that i tried or anything but i am just saying.
Tom McGrady
MACK Brass of Virginia LLC
Email: Sales@mackbrass.com
http://www.mackbrass.com" target="_blank
804-926-7707
mctuba1
TubeNet Sponsor
TubeNet Sponsor
 
Posts: 681
Joined: Fri Apr 09, 2004 7:22 am
Location: Virginia

Re: Alexander 163 Vs Kalison Daryl Smith

Postby mctuba1 » Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:54 pm

ren wrote:Goals are important, the goal of owning either of these tubas is completely lost on me unless its nostalgia.


Why do you say this? What in your opinion is wrong with these models? How do you think they fair with your horns in your experience?
Tom McGrady
MACK Brass of Virginia LLC
Email: Sales@mackbrass.com
http://www.mackbrass.com" target="_blank
804-926-7707
mctuba1
TubeNet Sponsor
TubeNet Sponsor
 
Posts: 681
Joined: Fri Apr 09, 2004 7:22 am
Location: Virginia

Re: Alexander 163 Vs Kalison Daryl Smith

Postby bort » Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:03 pm

Tom, if this is so great, why risk the leadpipe and 5th valve changes?
B&S 4198 (PT-7P)
User avatar
bort
6 valves
6 valves
 
Posts: 9385
Joined: Wed Sep 22, 2004 11:08 pm
Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota

Re: Alexander 163 Vs Kalison Daryl Smith

Postby mctuba1 » Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:26 pm

bort wrote:Tom, if this is so great, why risk the leadpipe and 5th valve changes?


Thats a good question. The changes i am considering are the same i did to my other Alex and they improved the horn greatly. Everything i am thinking of will be reversible so if for sone reason it doesnt work i can change it back. One thing that is noticeably better on my Alex is the pop it has and the low register, i think its due to the smaller taper in the leadpipe. The 4v alex seems to be a looser blow if that makes sense and not as much pop especially in the low register and at the very least i think changing the leadpipe will help in that area. I know the Alex i have altered is a freak of a horn as far as the 163 cc goes so if i have half the success on this 4v it will be a huge winner. The main thing Craigs horn has over my other 163 is the pitch, the pitch is far better on his than what i started out with on mine. The biggest difference i see between the two 163 tubas is one is about 2 inches taller than the other, go figure. I guess this is what happeneds when you just cut the main tuning slide to bring a tuba from BBb to CC which is all Alexander did to make the earlier 163 CC tubas.

As a note, my old Alex started out as a regular standard 4v Alex that played about 40 cents flat across the board. I started out with cutting abiut 2 inches off the leadpipe to bring the pitch up then made one change at a time in stages making sure each change worked.
Tom McGrady
MACK Brass of Virginia LLC
Email: Sales@mackbrass.com
http://www.mackbrass.com" target="_blank
804-926-7707
mctuba1
TubeNet Sponsor
TubeNet Sponsor
 
Posts: 681
Joined: Fri Apr 09, 2004 7:22 am
Location: Virginia

Previous

Return to TubeNet

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Baidu [Spider], Google [Bot], Google Adsense [Bot], MarchingOyster and 34 guests