Lube Master Super G mouthpiece

[MonsterOil]

It's like buying clothes... I guess if I bought pants that were designed for someone less than 4 feet wide and less than 7 feet tall, I'll end up with something I can wear. My actual size is 36 x 32... but some brands I'll wear a 34 x 30, and others I'll wear 36 x 30 or hopefully 36 x 32 as I'd expect. No, the actual numbers are not important, just that the pants fit. But it'll help an awful lot to at least not waste time (waist time? ) with sizes that are obviously not right for me. Some people might say "baggy pants are comfortable, these are more comfortable pants." But I'd see them as pants that don't fit, and that's just an obnoxiously uncomfortable and unnecessary thing to wear clothes that fit poorly.

Yes!!! Ooohhh...I looooove the pants analogy. 36 x 32 is very vague. But it does get you in the ballpark. For us that part of it is saying "30G". Gets you in the ballpark. But then for the details. How high is the crotch in your pants? Are the legs straight? Tapered? How much? How much room is there in the tush? Are they designed to almost touch the ground, or stay up near the upper ankle? I'm certain you don't read about all of those things when you buy pants. You just try the things on. Sometimes a 36 x 32 will feel amazing, and other times it will feel awful.

This mouthpiece is the same deal - if you like the 30G, we think you're going to like our piece even better. Now if we didn't all have full-time jobs, we might have time to offer trials on these things. But, alas, we don't have anybody to sit around cleaning and repackaging mouthpieces all day for players who want to kick the tires and send it back. Honestly wish we did, because people who play this thing love it.

Thanks for the spirited discussion! That's what I love about the TubeNet, you guys speak your mind!


Best,

Tom

[Ulli]

Stainless steel is... anti-allergic.

Sure enough?
There is a drag-out of nickel.
I have lips problems, when I use a stainless steel mpc (SSH)

[GC]

It takes a VERY delicate balance of all the sizes and, more importantly, shapes of a mouthpiece to work in harmony to create the perfect product.

Laskey 30G with a more comfy rim, in my opinion, is pretty descriptive. Most everybody knows what the 30G is. As for comfortable rim - how are we supposed to measure that? Again it's a particular shape that most players find really comfortable. How to describe the width, shape of the arc, bite, etc...?

Mostly I can agree with that, but it's not impossible to describe a mouthpiece rim: flat, semi-rounded, well-rounded, sharp bite, moderately rounded bite, very round bite, all of which carry more information than nothing. The accuracy of what's meant by them is of course open to interpretation. Still, a cross-section diagram and a picture can do wonders.

And "comfortable" is in the eye of the beholder, and you can always find someone who thinks mouthpieces are comfortable that other people wouldn't play for more than seconds. After all, the old, flat, sharp-edged Conn Helleberg 120 rim was a favorite of thousands of players, and I absolutely can't stand to play on one for more than a couple of minutes.

I wish you success with the new mouthpiece, and I hope you sell a ton of them. I won't buy one unless I switch back to contrabass tuba because of the size; I've moved to smaller diameters because of what fits my Eb's better, but I think you've definitely hit a needed market niche. Some of us just like data and not impressions.

[Donn]

Stainless steel is... anti-allergic.

Sure enough?
There is a drag-out of nickel.
I have lips problems, when I use a stainless steel mpc (SSH)

According to research from the '90s, the steels used in Giddings & Webster (304) and Kelly (316) are supposed to bind their nickel tight enough that not much comes off. That will depend on circumstances, though - if you boil an acidic sauce in a pan made of that stuff, there'll be detectable amounts. I expect the old research is aimed at earrings etc., and I bet a quarter no one has studied stainless mouthpieces.

Polycarbonate plastic: the mouthpiece material of the future.

[tubalamb]

Figured I'd chime in on this thread as I do have a Super G (two of them actually), and I'm using the mouthpiece in a fairly consistent manner. I should mention that I do know and work with the Monster Oil crew, but I'm not paid by them. Take that for what it's worth.

A comparison is only as good as what you know, and my usual stable of mouthpieces on CC includes the Dillon Olka CB2, the Dillon Roylance CB1 (TDC Light), and an old Schilke Geib.

The Super G is really good. I think the 30G description is accurate. While I don't have 30G at home to compare, I do have an old Schilke Geib that was made by Scott Laskey when he was still at Schilke (i.e. my Schilke Geib is a fairly accurate predecessor to the Laskey 30G). The Super G definitely feels wider . . . this could be because of the rim contour being less sharp than the Schilke Geib or it could be because Super G is a bit wider. Frankly, it doesn't matter as I like the way the Super G feels and sounds.

As far as the rim contour goes, the Super G is less like the Schilke/Laskey sharpish contour and more like the Dillon-Olka contours. It's not too wide of a rim width, and it still has plenty of bite for clean attacks. On my face it does not feel as aggressive of an inner rim as the Schilke/Laskeys. With the Super G, I feel like I could play a two hour, non-stop band concert of John Williams music then go home later that night and still practice if I wanted to. However with the pandemic and all the summer concerts being cancelled, I actually have not been able to test this yet.

In general, I think they have a really good product. It's well made, and I like the sounds I get with it. I'm going to keep playing it for awhile and exploring what I can do with the Super G. Hopefully my description can help some of the questions folks may have about it.

Cheers!