New music stand

scottw · Post by **scottw** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:43 pm

MaryAnn wrote: The only thing I like better about the regular Manhasset is that if you are playing in windy conditions, you can put your feet on the stand to hold it down in the wind.
MA

That is another plus for the Desca: the feet are almost flat to the ground and the center of gravity is low anyway.
Carroll posted something about figuring out which way the desk goes? I timed it and the whole assembly took only about 20 seconds.
Bloke wrote something about carrying a stand the size of a trumpet: here's a "stack" of 16 stands next to a trumpet.
http://www.descahome.com/image_stands/i ... ompact.jpg

corbasse · Post by **corbasse** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:39 am

Carroll wrote:

My quartet uses these and we can pack all four of them into the space that a "trumpet" would fit. The only thing is the trick to opening the desk. I say that it is the entry test for our quartet... now is it small posts up and large posts down or small posts down and large posts up?

All portable stands I've ever seen all my life are of this type. (mostly the $20 variety)
Every twelve year old learning an instrument in Western Europe will probably open one in a few seconds without any problem

It's large posts up, short posts down
If I wanted to shell out big bucks for a portable stand I'd go for this one:
http://www.canadianbrassstore.com/ms-300al.html
small, and extremely lightweight. A big plus if you live in a region where there are more transport options than a big, gas guzzling car.

geomiklas · Post by **geomiklas** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 7:21 am

bloke wrote:The K&M model 10065BK (not particularly cheap: sugg. retail of c. $66) is sturdy, looks good enough on-stage if it has to (particularly with a black folder), has a thick-enough shelf, and folds up tiny. "BK" denotes "black".

This is NOT K&M's slimmest model...It's somewhere in the middle. (That lightest-duty one is called the 101.)

Several years ago, I sent my kid to Eastman with a 10065, and subsequently several friends had me drop-ship 10065 stands to them.

IF I am to carry a music stand along with a TUBA (from some parking garage, etc.) I WON'T be toting one that has a non-collapsable desk.

The Desca thing looks like a pretty good product, but I still don't think I'd want to schlep something the size of a trumpet...nor have to fool with unpacking it.

Bloke,

I've had a K&M 10065 since 2000 and use it for my other musical interest. Because it is tiny, the K&M gets packed into a gearbox along with other gear, such as my satellite speaker stands and mic stands which are K&M and the same style as the music stand.

I don't use the K&M for any other gigging because it will not hold "The Real Book" or other similar 2" thick fake books. That is why I bought a Manhasset Voyager, and I've already voiced my dismay with the MV. On that note, the folks at Desca assure me that their stand will hold a 7# book without slipping.

gm

Rick F · Post by **Rick F** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 10:26 am

If your MV stand slips due to a heavy book or folder, you can add a hose clamp just above where the two shafts join to keep the stand from slipping. They now make a hose clamp that doesn't require a tool to adjust called a "Turn-Key clamp".

H.W. Elkhardt Corp. - Turn key hose clamps:
http://www.hweckhardt.com/clamps/Ideal_ ... Clamp.html

geomiklas · Post by **geomiklas** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:33 am

Rick F wrote:If your MV stand slips due to a heavy book or folder, you can add a hose clamp just above where the two shafts join to keep the stand from slipping. They now make a hose clamp that doesn't require a tool to adjust called a "Turn-Key clamp".

H.W. Elkhardt Corp. - Turn key hose clamps:
http://www.hweckhardt.com/clamps/Ideal_ ... Clamp.html

For my MV, it is the tripod slipping when I adjust the height. Yes, one of these hose clamps would probably fix it. But I didn't buy this stand to be marking it up with a hose clamp.

The MV will hold the fake book. It is the K&M that won't.

gm

sinfonian · Post by **sinfonian** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 10:06 pm

Rick F wrote:If your MV stand slips due to a heavy book or folder, you can add a hose clamp just above where the two shafts join to keep the stand from slipping. They now make a hose clamp that doesn't require a tool to adjust called a "Turn-Key clamp".

H.W. Elkhardt Corp. - Turn key hose clamps:
http://www.hweckhardt.com/clamps/Ideal_ ... Clamp.html

Manhasset now makes a shaft lock that will do this instead of using a clamp. I have one on my stand and it holds the desk up with heaviest books on it.

http://www.wwbw.com/Manhasset-2400-Shaf ... 3152.music[/img]

geomiklas · Post by **geomiklas** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:56 am

sinfonian wrote:

Manhasset now makes a shaft lock that will do this instead of using a clamp. I have one on my stand and it holds the desk up with heaviest books on it.

http://www.wwbw.com/Manhasset-2400-Shaf ... 3152.music[/img]

This looks great, but it won't fix my problem.

My chief complaint with my Manhasset Voyager is the fact that there is no locking mechanism on the folding tripod, therefore it slips. Holding the tripod down with my toe, I attempt to raise the stand--the entire shaft slips through the folding tripod before extentending. When I lower the stand, again the entire shaft slips through the folding tripod before compacting.

If Manhasset would make a new locking device, my problem would be solved. Take their shaft lock mechanism and make it larger for the outer shaft and integrate this locking device with the tripod. This would fix the problem that I am experiencing with my Manhasset Voyager.

<img src="http://lh3.google.com/harmonicat/RzcAd4 ... 00/52s.jpg">

gm

scottw · Post by **scottw** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 9:48 am

schlepporello wrote:They also made the extended version that went higher than anything else I had found at that time. And at my extended height, that's a much needed plus. I got the extra tall Manhasset and haven't looked back. I'll figger out a way to get it where I need it.

That's a perspective I haven't considered: maximum height, in that I'm 5'10".
I checked on the Desca stand--the height to the top of the desk ranges from 33" to 64.5". Is that 64.5 considered high enough for vertically un-challenged people like Schlepp or Bob? How would that compare with Schlepp's extra-long Manhassett?

Dan Schultz · Post by **Dan Schultz** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:09 am

geomiklas wrote:.... This looks great, but it won't fix my problem.

My chief complaint with my Manhasset Voyager is the fact that there is no locking mechanism on the folding tripod, therefore it slips. ....

I don't understand what you are saying. The tripod only has one position... fully open. The tripod is not intended to be height-adjustable.

A side note on the shaft lock... with the shaft lock in place, I don't think the Voyager will fit into the bag. I have ordered a shaft lock and am eagerly waiting on it's arrival. I only play with one group that has a book heavy enough to make the shaft slip and it's a three-ring binder that weighs a ton! For that heavy book, I use a heavy spring clamp on the stand shaft.

Despite a few minor issues, Manhasset is STILL my choice. The bag is large enough to hold music folders any my gadget bag containing mouthpieces and oils.

geomiklas · Post by **geomiklas** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:12 pm

TubaTinker wrote:
I don't understand what you are saying. The tripod only has one position... fully open. The tripod is not intended to be height-adjustable.

That being said, my Manhasset Voyager will not stay fully open. I would like it to stay fully open. That will probably solve my problem.

TubaTinker wrote: Despite a few minor issues, Manhasset is STILL my choice. The bag is large enough to hold music folders any my gadget bag containing mouthpieces and oils.

And Manhasset is still my first choice too. However, I'm ready to go back to carrying the first Manhasset Symphony Stand #48 that I bought about 25 years ago and put my Voyager up for bids....

gm