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Re: My quintet

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tbn.al wrote:
Roger Lewis wrote:begins every rehearsal with about 20 minutes devoted to the Guggenberger Basics Plus exercises. These are written in two lines and they contain the famous Chicowicz flow studies - in harmony - so you can hear where things need to be.
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I am familiar with the Chicowicz but not the Guggenberger. Where can I get it? I've tried, Hickey's, King and Pepper with no luck. This could be the most productive thread ever for me. I've already won a steak dinner bet and now maybe a serious quintet fix.
I found them (and will order them) at http://www.justforbrass.com
Now I just have to convince the other four to use it!
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I would......

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recommend the TRUMPET version of the Guggenberger, not the bass clef one. I'm not sure, but some of the phrase marks may have been changed to make it easier for the instruments that move more air while playing. The trumpet version requires everyone in the group to work on extending their phrases. I feel it's a little better to work this way. I have no experience with the bass clef version personally. I'm just really happy with the trumpet one.

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MaryAnn wrote: From my point of view, it is simple ear training to learn to listen for beats and get rid of them...... It's not difficult; it's just not taught for some reason, my guess on the reason being that it "hasn't been" taught and so the vast majority of the teachers out there don't know it either. Why it isn't taught in college is beyond me. The problem comes when some players are able to adjust and the others are not; then you end up with the usual cacaphony.
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In my opinion, you are entirely correct about getting rid of beats. However, I think that at most colleges with decent music departments tuning strategies are taught. Students simply don't care enough to apply the concepts. Intonation is one of the most frustrating things to work with, and sometimes the most tedious and time consuming element of music to fix.

One can spend hours getting all the notes right with right rhythms individually, and still end up sounding like complete crap with an ensemble because of poor intonation. That is why it is so frustrating.

Almost every director that I have played under in my college career has had something to say about this issue. They may have approached it in a different fashion than others, but time is spent teaching this. However, most students just simply don't care enough to put in the time.

The average music student is an education major. There is this overwhelming feeling of "I don't have to do _____ because I am an ed major." Fill in the blank with whatever you choose, it usually involves not practicing as much as other people, or playing rep that is challenging. The bottom line is that most college musicians these days are LAZY. If something takes a great amount of effort (like playing in tune all the time) they just don't bother. This sentiment is not only limited to ed majors; it seems to be a plague infecting everyone in music departments.

The bottom line is that it is much easier to ignore poor intonation than fix it, and sometimes bad intonation has more serious underlying causes like poor breath support and weak embouchure.
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This may (or not) be helpful.

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A Study In Musical Intonation (by Chris Leuba, former Principal Horn of the Chicago Symphony)

https://secure.cherry-classics.com/cgi- ... SheetMusic

https://secure.cherry-classics.com/samp ... sample.pdf
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I guess I've been lucky...............

My graduate applied professor would not let a student walk out of a lesson unless they applied the "lower the major third, raise the minor third and other interval tuning" concepts, no matter how well they were technically prepared on the material.

The wind ensemble director would randomly select two players and require them to play a randomly selected scale without "beats". We would be timed for how quickly we fixed tuning problems. After the fourth or fifth duet, people started to get the message and tuned quickly.

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Norm Pearson wrote:This may (or not) be helpful.

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A Study In Musical Intonation (by Chris Leuba, former Principal Horn of the Chicago Symphony)

https://secure.cherry-classics.com/cgi- ... SheetMusic

https://secure.cherry-classics.com/samp ... sample.pdf
From about twenty years ago, I recall Ralph Sauer telling of how -- out of frustration at a colleague's lack of understanding on this topic and the resulting 'intonational curiosities' driving Ralph out of his mind -- he purchased a copy of Mr Leuba's book and anonymously left it on the colleague's music stand as a not-so-subtle hint.
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