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bloke wrote:
David Richoux wrote:...etc...(And BTW, that picture is of a horn that I do not use on "perfessional gigs.")
If ya dish out the tongue-in-cheek remarks, ya gotta be able to take 'em too. :D

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yeah...I've encountered those (with something stuck up their exit door) who are "traditional jazz" snobs. Curiously, they never seem to be the strongest player in the band.

bloke "out dixie-et-al check-chasin' today from 8 to 5"
What, you couldn't detect my mock outrage in the first post?

Anyway, around here it is usually not the musicians who are the "Trad Nazis" - seems like there are always a few audience members taking notes during performances and stepping up to complain about some perceived "lack of accuracy" after the set.

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I am currently using an older Miraphone 186 4u BBb with a detachable recording bell for outdoors and a Rudy Meinl 5/4 BBb for indoors. I used a sousaphone for about 35 years with various trad groups but have become very enamored with the "German" sound for this type of music in the past 4 years.

At one time I used a 5 valve 381S Yamaha Eb for about a year with my current group and it also fit in pretty well. Just find a horn or horns that are comfortable and produce the sound you want - which is true for most venues.

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Indeed. I also have a recording bell, but I still have to get the tenon so I can use my 186 on similar gigs, if the occasion is right.

Hey pwhitaker-- try a PT34 mouthpiece outdoors with the 186 recording bell. You can put a lot of air through it, get really good presence and immediacy of response, and it can get through the runs, slurs, half-valve glissandi and other intonations to really pop out well.
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David Richoux wrote: seems like there are always a few audience members taking notes during performances and stepping up to complain about some perceived "lack of accuracy" after the set.
What is their standard for accuracy - are you supposed to be like Turk Murphy, Kid Ory, ...?

I'd like to get back into something of this nature, but indeed I'm not sure "Dixieland" is really the word for what would work for me. Does it matter what you call it? Well, sure it does! Try calling it "death metal" and see how that works out. If there are audiences that will show up for traditional jazz, but not for dixieland (and I assume there are), I'd be very interested to know what the difference is in their minds.
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Donn wrote:
David Richoux wrote: seems like there are always a few audience members taking notes during performances and stepping up to complain about some perceived "lack of accuracy" after the set.
What is their standard for accuracy - are you supposed to be like Turk Murphy, Kid Ory, ...?

I'd like to get back into something of this nature, but indeed I'm not sure "Dixieland" is really the word for what would work for me. Does it matter what you call it? Well, sure it does! Try calling it "death metal" and see how that works out. If there are audiences that will show up for traditional jazz, but not for dixieland (and I assume there are), I'd be very interested to know what the difference is in their minds.
I have not been able to figure that out in 25 years! I called my radio show "The Jazz Parade" and I felt free to play not only "Hard Core Traditional Jazz" like you can hear on http://www.redhotjazz.com but also Dixieland, Ragtime, New Orleans Brass Bands, Marching Bands, Big Band Swing (hot and sweet,) Western Swing, early Blues, Jugbands, Novelty and period Comedy. I am sure I lost some purist "Mouldy Figgs" every once in a while, but this kind of music was getting hard to find on broadcast radio (long before the Internet and satellite radio could provide similar programs.)

As for my jazz band - just got this review from a performance we did a few weeks ago:

The bio description (last month) of And That’s Jazz … “Chicago-style”
may have been misinterpreted by some of our members who
chose not to attend. Gene Maurice plays a very early version
of the Chicago style, which would have satisfied those who
prefer a New Orleans style. Nevertheless we had a
very decent attendance, which Gene’s band well deserved,
because it is a very good band indeed.
Gene’s band benefits from long-term regular gigs. Accordingly they
get things right from the first note, their tempos don’t wander and
they play some of the more sophisticated material that cannot be
executed well without plenty of practice. We were struck with their
very tasteful rendition of “Sobbin’ Blues” (more usually played by
pro bands), a very effective “Chimes Blues,” and a particularly
enthralling version of “The Mooch.” Several musicians in the
audience stopped by my table to compliment the band. The music was
excellent for listening, and our dance floor was consistently full.
Many thanks, Gene, for a great afternoon...
(the performance was for the New Orleans Jazz Club of Northern California - they have been presenting local bands (plus national and international bands on tour) since the mid 1960s - an audience of very knowledgeable jazz fans, dancers and musicians. We have played there many times, but maybe they saw the words "Chicago Style" and thought it might be "Dixieland!")
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A "concert tuba" is not an option. I'm definitely looking for a sousaphone.

There's a nice silver 14K on ebay right now, unfortunately the military will not buy items off ebay.

Any chance someone knows how to get in touch with the seller?
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I think for many of the 'trad' v. dixie fans the difference is the performance expectation. the serious trad fans are looking for some kind of serious jazz performance of early early jazz. similar to the fans of 'period' instrument use in some kinds of renaisance/early classical genres.

imo, most people are looking to hear quality playing of fun and interesting music (of course that means a million different things also).
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Manituba wrote:A "concert tuba" is not an option. I'm definitely looking for a sousaphone.

There's a nice silver 14K on ebay right now, unfortunately the military will not buy items off ebay.

Any chance someone knows how to get in touch with the seller?
try the ask a question feature?
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For those of you who want to dig further in to the whole "Dixieland" "New Orleans Jazz" "Traditional Jazz" thing - please join the DJML list! There are a lot of fine tuba players already on that forum (along with many other musicians, fans, historians, dancers, producers and promoters) and the topics range all over the history, performance, enjoyment, problems, and occasional diversions of this kind of music.

It is a lot of fun, and is usually in the same sort of free-range style as Tubenet.

http://ml.islandnet.com/mailman/listinfo/dixielandjazz for more info and sign-up.
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bloke wrote: 'snip'
Individual bands vary so much in style/quality that I find it difficult to categorize various types of jazz bands that play pre-1940's written music.

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I absoulutely agree that any sort of categorization is essentially meaningless. There are really only two kinds of music....that listened to live, and that listened to recorded.
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Manituba wrote:A "concert tuba" is not an option. I'm definitely looking for a sousaphone.

There's a nice silver 14K on ebay right now, unfortunately the military will not buy items off ebay.

Any chance someone knows how to get in touch with the seller?
Would the miltary buy it from you if you bought it off ebay?

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It's ok. I found some 14Ks in stock at 1800usaband.com.

It's much easier for us to deal with a store than buying from an individual anyway.

Thanks to everyone for their help.
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