most-often dumped and least-often dumped models of tubas...

doublebuzzing · Post by **doublebuzzing** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 6:55 pm

cjk wrote:
kmorgancraw wrote:People rarely part with any model Hirsbrunner. Seems like PT F tubas are always for sale, maybe because their very common.
I seem to see no shortage of Hirsbrunners for sale.

I seem to remember a recent time when there were about 3 or 4 Yorkbrunners for sale at the same time on here.

Aglenntuba · Post by **Aglenntuba** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 7:08 pm

Not quite as common as 186s or 129xs, but it seems like every time I log in, someone is trying to sell me a B&S PT22P. I'm not sure if there's one going around, or just the previously discussed dump syndrome. On the other hand, I've never seen a Thein for sale here

but there are also not a whole lot of Rudys, either.

scottw · Post by **scottw** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 10:04 pm

Someone earlier on this topic said he has seen a lot of Alexanders for sale recently. My experience doesn't reflect that at all. 163's and 164's seem quite rare on the re-sale market. If someone has a good one, they do what they should do: keep it.

Michael Bush · Post by **Michael Bush** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 10:25 pm

Aglenntuba wrote: I've never seen a Thein for sale here

Have you ever seen a Thein tuba in any context, for sale or otherwise, in the wild?

Me neither.

Aglenntuba · Post by **Aglenntuba** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 10:29 pm

Michael Bush wrote:
Aglenntuba wrote: I've never seen a Thein for sale here
Have you ever seen a Thein tuba in any context, for sale or otherwise, in the wild?

Me neither.

I'm not saying... I'm just saying...

Michael Bush · Post by **Michael Bush** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 10:33 pm

Aglenntuba wrote:
Michael Bush wrote:
Aglenntuba wrote: I've never seen a Thein for sale here
Have you ever seen a Thein tuba in any context, for sale or otherwise, in the wild?

Me neither.

I'm not saying... I'm just saying...

bort · Post by **bort** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 10:36 pm

doublebuzzing wrote:
cjk wrote:
kmorgancraw wrote:People rarely part with any model Hirsbrunner. Seems like PT F tubas are always for sale, maybe because their very common.
I seem to see no shortage of Hirsbrunners for sale.
I seem to remember a recent time when there were about 3 or 4 Yorkbrunners for sale at the same time on here.

Same idea, but now its the Baer tuba.

Heavy_Metal · Post by **Heavy_Metal** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 10:37 pm

scottw wrote:Someone earlier on this topic said he has seen a lot of Alexanders for sale recently. My experience doesn't reflect that at all. 163's and 164's seem quite rare on the re-sale market. If someone has a good one, they do what they should do: keep it.

Our section added two Alexanders in the past couple years. One was being sold due to its owner's deteriorating health, and the other was from a collection. Both are keepers.

Heavy_Metal · Post by **Heavy_Metal** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 10:49 pm

Some of us don't do Facebook, Twitter etc. They take up too much time and their privacy policies are a joke.

TubeNet uber alles!

Mark E. Chachich · Post by **Mark E. Chachich** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 10:59 pm

One tuba that I rarely see for resale is the Meinl Weston 32 (or MW 30). In the 1970s this type of tuba was fairly popular. I have one that I used for a quintet horn and one of the people in the Bel Air Community Band tuba section plays a very nice MW 32. He plays his MW 32 very well and it blends nicely and plays in tune with the three Alexanders, the Zeiss and the Chinese Hirshburnner copy in the section.

Mark
Principal Tuba, Bel Air Community Band

Heavy_Metal · Post by **Heavy_Metal** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 12:10 am

TubaBum wrote:The only reason I can think of to avoid that is something sinister to hide perhaps?

What, exactly, are you saying or implying here?

I simply do not agree with the way those sites are run. The choice is to submit to their ridiculous policies or don't use the sites at all. Therefore I do not use them. That is my choice.

If you are saying something like "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear", you need to read the history of Germany in the 1930s. They did teach that in the schools you attended, right?

bisontuba · Post by **bisontuba** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 12:06 pm

Happy Dyngus Day...

oedipoes · Post by **oedipoes** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 12:43 pm

I can not remember having seen a single Rudi 4/4 BBb for sale on this board...

Z-Tuba Dude · Post by **Z-Tuba Dude** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 1:28 pm

cjk wrote:
kmorgancraw wrote:People rarely part with any model Hirsbrunner. Seems like PT F tubas are always for sale, maybe because their very common.
I seem to see no shortage of Hirsbrunners for sale.

I have noticed quite a few piston Hirsbrunners offered for sale over the years, but very few of the rotary HB-2 model!

bort · Post by **bort** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 1:32 pm

bloke wrote:I totally missed one of these (for sale LOCALLY)

What is it about Western Tennessee that causes so many high-end, local sale, cheapo price tubas exist? Everywhere I've ever lived, there ain't ****.

DouglasJB · Post by **DouglasJB** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 2:36 pm

Depending on where the divide of West and Middle TN is drawn I'm essentially in West TN and i never see amy of these deals either

Levaix · Post by **Levaix** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 2:38 pm

This is an interesting topic, but I'm not sure how much it actually says about the instrument in question. Eg. I play a B&S PT-37 euphonium and I've never seen one for sale on the used market. That being said I've only heard hearsay about 2 other individuals who have even owned this model of horn. Technically 3/3 is a 100% retention rate. Does that mean my horn is objectively better than, say, a Willson 2900 or Yamaha Custom? Or maybe for an even better example, how many Willson 2950s do you see for sale compared to the 2900?

Likewise, I've known many people who own and enjoy their PT-6 but have sold it for various reasons (typically it's "too much" for their current needs), but I only have one friend who owns a PT-7 (and has never expressed wanting to sell it). So obviously the PT-7 is a better horn! Never mind that the same friend has played two other examples of this model and said they were lousy...

It's also worth considering that perhaps many of these "flavor of the month" horns attract the kind of individual who is looking for his equipment to make an extreme difference. This is also often the kind of person who will jump on the next bandwagon when it promises even greater performance.

That being said, the frustrating lack of used R. Meinls on the market may be a solid counterpoint.

pecktime · Post by **pecktime** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 8:54 pm

bloke wrote:Without mentioning specific models, I'm (below radar...though several - including you - are "getting it") looking at the heavily-promoted models (we all can think of which ones they are) and seeing if there is a connection between heavy promotion and frequent turnover.

Of course there's a connection. If one is looking for a new tuba, going for something that seems 'popular' is a good idea- especially if you don't know much and/ or have to buy sight unseen. Now it may be that certain tubas go in (and out) of fashion, but that doesn't speak to their innate qualities.

In my neck of the woods there are no tubas anywhere, so i rely on this forum and my teacher to help me navigate. However my teacher has no interest in gear so doesn't keep up with the latest stuff, and my horn needs are different to his area of expertise.my conclusion is that the best i can do is stop looking for bargains and buy something that is (1) sold by a retailer with brass experience (2) made by a good manufacturer and (3) shiny with lots of buttons

Matt Walters · Post by **Matt Walters** » Tue Mar 29, 2016 7:55 am

The most-often dumped tubas are like the most-often dumped people. They seem great, even pretty at first. But with time you realize they take too much work for what little they give back to the quality of your life or playing.

The least-dumped have the best core qualities that stand the test of time and seem to fit you well.

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