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[Chuck(G)]

The O-21 was the marching trombone from Olds and it had a 0.500 bore, as did the O-20 valve trombone. Now, if I took either of those horns and wrapped it like a bell front euphonium/baritone, would that be closer to a euphonium or a British baritione?

A friend has a Conn 90G marching trombone with 0.547 bore:



It's a lot skinnier than his Besson English baritone and the tone doesn't resemble the baritone very much either. It also has some interesting intonation issues.

[ThomasDodd]

Should probably move this to another thread...

The O-21 was the marching trombone from Olds and it had a 0.500 bore, as did the O-20 valve trombone. Now, if I took either of those horns and wrapped it like a bell front euphonium/baritone, would that be closer to a euphonium or a British baritione?

A friend has a Conn 90G marching trombone with 0.547 bore:

Not the normal "marching bone" shape, but close to what I'm looking for. Bend that bell forward some... Bore's a bit big, but reasonable still.

It's a lot skinnier than his Besson English baritone and the tone doesn't resemble the baritone very much either. It also has some interesting intonation issues.

Love to hear about those in issues...

[Lew]

Should probably move this to another thread...

The O-21 was the marching trombone from Olds and it had a 0.500 bore, as did the O-20 valve trombone. Now, if I took either of those horns and wrapped it like a bell front euphonium/baritone, would that be closer to a euphonium or a British baritione?

A friend has a Conn 90G marching trombone with 0.547 bore:

Not the normal "marching bone" shape, but close to what I'm looking for. Bend that bell forward some... Bore's a bit big, but reasonable still.

It's a lot skinnier than his Besson English baritone and the tone doesn't resemble the baritone very much either. It also has some interesting intonation issues.

Love to hear about those in issues...

What you are describing sounds like a Trombonium. Here's a link to a photo:

http://www.rugs-n-relics.com/brass-phil ... onium.html

[rascaljim]

Well, when I was six I started playing the ukulele, that lasted for all of 6 months. Then the summer after third grade I had to settle on the 'baby tuba' aka euphonium until I was big enough for the tuba. I crossed over in fifth grade to a sousaphone and that's where it all got started!

[DHMTuba]

A long story but may be interesting to you teachers out there:
In the 5th grade band I played an old trumpet a neighbor had given my dad. I was terrible at it (to this day I can't play trumpet), didn't like the band director, and was miserable the whole time. So I quit band at the end of 5th grade.
In 7th grade the school required an elective. I wanted to take shop! But there were no shop openings and the only elective course available was band. So I dusted off the old trumpet again. Still played badly and still hated it. By this time I also had a really bad attitude about it.
Midway through 8th grade the tuba player moved away. The band director (a different one) called me in, handed me a tuba, and asked me to play a couple of notes. Then he pulled an old beat-up sousaphone out of a closet, and told me to take it home and learn the first page of the tuba book. (I had to call my mother to pick me up at school; I'll never forget the look on her face when she saw that sousaphone!)
Well, tuba was the instrument for me. I took to it and never looked back!
Later, in high school, the orchestra director taught me bass lessons. Stupid kid that I was, I didn't realize until many years later that he did it on his own time, not the school's, and that he probably never got a nickel for doing it.
The moral of the story? If you teach you never know what impact you'll have on a student's life. Instead of just getting rid of a kid with a lousy attitude (me), the 8th grade band director figured out a way for me to succeed and got me excited about music. And the orchestra director introduced me to a new instrument.
I'm playing professionally today (tuba, bass and a few other things) because of teachers like these.

[MaryAnn]

No problem, the baritone is mostly cylindrical and smaller in more & bell sizes, usually with just 3 valves, and giving a sound closer to that of the trombone.
The euphonium is mostly conical, with a much larger bore and bell and ranges from 3 to 5 valves, though 4 valve compensating instruments are standard in the UK and its sound is much more closer to that of a tenor tuba.

CB

Which of these would my Meinl Weston model 41 4-rotary valve "bariton" be, if either?
MA

[MaryAnn]

Lessee:
age 6, piano, because I had been picking tunes out since I was 3.
somewhere in there, bugle, badly
age 11, violin, which became my main ax
high school, anything anybody would let me blow on, just because; some clarinet, for a while, oboe for a while
20s, guitar, mandolin, electric bass, electric violin/fiddle (teaching and gigging)
30s, viola, because people needed it in sting quartets
45 (french) horn, became my main ax
52 tuba....most fun currently, also euph
last summer...cornet, which is on the shelf because it messes up my horn embouchure and I'm not ready to give up on horn yet

60 and beyond...who knows? Maybe it will be time for percussion.

MA, who will never, ever, play saxophone!

[Tom]

No problem, the baritone is mostly cylindrical and smaller in more & bell sizes, usually with just 3 valves, and giving a sound closer to that of the trombone.
The euphonium is mostly conical, with a much larger bore and bell and ranges from 3 to 5 valves, though 4 valve compensating instruments are standard in the UK and its sound is much more closer to that of a tenor tuba.

CB

Which of these would my Meinl Weston model 41 4-rotary valve "bariton" be, if either?
MA

This?

[Rick Denney]

The prodigous can be surpassed by the common man through the power of perserverance and hard work

My only question is: What if the prodigious also persevere and work hard?

Rick "thinking that the drive to persevere and work hard is part of the prodigy formula" Denney

[MaryAnn]

This?

No, sorry it is a 49, not a 41: here:
http://www.netupandgo.com/mrtuba/mwtoorder.htm

In the euphonium section of the page. I'd put the picture but do not know how.

MA