There is a trick with the brasswind web site. Yes, it shows $2449 for the YEP-321S. Add item # 17578 to the "shopping kart" and the price drops to $1749. I've found this price drop happens on most of the Yamaha euphs, but not the other manufacturers.Captain Sousie wrote:Twice the price? Brasswind Yep-321s=$2449 Wilson=$3499. OK
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My possibly controversial opinion
I would much rather play a very cheaply made CC tuba rather than the best BBb's on the market, and I've played the BBb's on the market.
So I use this comment in relation to euphonium's, I double occasionally and when I buy a euph, if I'm unable to afford a Besson, Willson, or Yamaha fully compensating Euphonium I will find the best fully compensating Euphonium I can afford. Basically I am saying the highest quality non-compensating euph, TO ME, would be a waste of money if you can get a fully compensating euph for the same price. For that matter if you can get any fully compensating euphonium for the money you're willing to spend do it.
From what I read earlier you're hesitating getting a fully compensating euphonium because you think they sound stuffy. I think most professional players play on fully compensating euphoniums and I don't think they are wanting to sound stuffy, nor do I believe they sound stuffy.
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So I use this comment in relation to euphonium's, I double occasionally and when I buy a euph, if I'm unable to afford a Besson, Willson, or Yamaha fully compensating Euphonium I will find the best fully compensating Euphonium I can afford. Basically I am saying the highest quality non-compensating euph, TO ME, would be a waste of money if you can get a fully compensating euph for the same price. For that matter if you can get any fully compensating euphonium for the money you're willing to spend do it.
From what I read earlier you're hesitating getting a fully compensating euphonium because you think they sound stuffy. I think most professional players play on fully compensating euphoniums and I don't think they are wanting to sound stuffy, nor do I believe they sound stuffy.
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Funky...thanks BobBob Mosso wrote:There is a trick with the brasswind web site. Yes, it shows $2449 for the YEP-321S. Add item # 17578 to the "shopping kart" and the price drops to $1749. I've found this price drop happens on most of the Yamaha euphs, but not the other manufacturers.
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My YEP-321S was delivered on Monday, 75 days after placing the order. I understand wwbw pre-sold more than they received, they still have zero in stock.
To be fair to the Weril verses Yamaha debate, here's my quickie review of the YEP-321S:
-fit/finish and other cosmetic stuff is flawless
-the 1st valve has a problem, a metal sound when the valve is pushed and released, it appears the insert molded valve guide does not protrude far enough so only the metal tip is in the slot. I've tried to loosen the valve stem to slide the valve guide over, but they must have put loctite on it. I don't want to scratch up the valve stem.
-intonation isn't as good as I expected: 3rd 4th 5th 8th and 9th partials are grouped very well (within 5 cents), the 6th partial is nearly 20 cents sharp, the 2nd partial is about 10 cents sharp. The 1st and 2nd slide lengths are about 5 cents flat each, the 12 combination is in tune. The 3rd slide needs to be left out just a tiny bit so the 23 combination is in tune. The 4th slide is in tune when used alone (low F and C) but I may leave it out a little so F and C are slightly flat and the 24 combination is slightly sharp.
Regards,
Bob
To be fair to the Weril verses Yamaha debate, here's my quickie review of the YEP-321S:
-fit/finish and other cosmetic stuff is flawless
-the 1st valve has a problem, a metal sound when the valve is pushed and released, it appears the insert molded valve guide does not protrude far enough so only the metal tip is in the slot. I've tried to loosen the valve stem to slide the valve guide over, but they must have put loctite on it. I don't want to scratch up the valve stem.
-intonation isn't as good as I expected: 3rd 4th 5th 8th and 9th partials are grouped very well (within 5 cents), the 6th partial is nearly 20 cents sharp, the 2nd partial is about 10 cents sharp. The 1st and 2nd slide lengths are about 5 cents flat each, the 12 combination is in tune. The 3rd slide needs to be left out just a tiny bit so the 23 combination is in tune. The 4th slide is in tune when used alone (low F and C) but I may leave it out a little so F and C are slightly flat and the 24 combination is slightly sharp.
Regards,
Bob