Music that hits your Sour Spot

Tubaguy56 · Post by **Tubaguy56** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:44 pm

the problem is the VW is one of those pieces non-tuba players will sometimes take seriously.

--Said by someone who, after saying the words tuba and concerto next to each other, had 4 flute players laugh uproariously

LoyalTubist · Post by **LoyalTubist** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:52 am

Anything by John Rutter. I met Mr. Rutter when I was a grad student and told him what I thought of his music (he asked me). I said there was too much for the singers and not enough for the orchestra, that I'd rather play something else. Faculty members around me cringed when I said this. Mr. Rutter smiled and said, "I get that all the time back in England!"

KiwiTuba · Post by **KiwiTuba** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:58 am

quinterbourne wrote:
UncleBeer wrote:Dvorak's 9th: "New World".
Amen... great piece to listen to but why did he even bother writing that sad excuse for a tuba part?

Apparently the tuba player was having an affair with his wife.

Billy M. · Post by **Billy M.** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:12 am

All of Mozart's music (his perfection of form sounds like all the same stuff) save his Requiem (sheer genius, I tell you!)

99% of rap

Johann Strauss waltzes

the music of John Zdeclich (Chorale and Shaker Dance comes to mind)

most movie music arrangements

arrangements of music from plays I have done (damnit no matter how they may try to arrange it, they just about all suck)

music that even the most uneducated can hum (that crap they put on 'classics greatest hits' bullcrap cds like moonlight sonata and eine kleine nachtmusik)

some country music

most pop music

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 3:02 pm

EuphManRob wrote:Why, oh why, do teachers continue to drag out such chestnuts and make students play them?

Because there's so much MORE of this, and it's so much more EASY TO FIND...

OldsRecording · Post by **OldsRecording** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:08 pm

Oric wrote:Canon in D.

I don't so much mind the original version once in a while, but I really can't stand Raymond Lepard's overly schmaltzy mutations (oops- I mean 'arrangements'). Today I was at the optometrists and I heard on the Muzak track that one with Winton Marsalis playing all three parts on trumpet. Cough.

tubeast · Post by **tubeast** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:42 pm

I donÂ´t appreciate the way "Gloria", "Vlado Kumpan" and the likes interpret what should be great beerfest music. Nasty tone culture, exaggerated cheesiness on ballads... I could go on for ever. But their CDs sell among band people around here, and their tents are crowded with thirsty people. So hooray to them.

Other than that... I think a piece of music canÂ´t be blamed for being performed too often. Leave it in the folder for a couple of years and brush it up later. ItÂ´ll sound fresh and inspiring, IÂ´m sure. Even "Pomp and Circumstance". There must be other pieces to use for graduation ceremonies for a while.

Allen · Post by **Allen** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:23 pm

EuphManRob wrote:Sorry to resurrect this dead horse, but yesterday in our weekly chamber music departmental we had to suffer through a late 18th-century wind quintet, and I was just like, "WHY?"

... ... ...

Why, oh why, do teachers continue to drag out such chestnuts and make students play them?

This is one of the many mysteries from the "serious" music field. One thing for sure: you're not going to get many paying customers with this stuff. There sure was a lot of dreck back then, just as now.

Regarding 18th-century and earlier music, performance practices called for the performers to add ornamentation, and indeed improvise upon the basic music furnished by the composer -- something most conservatory teachers seem to be quite ignorant of. It's as if, at some far future date, music professors tried to recreate jazz music (without having ever heard it). They might have the musicians just play a named tune right out a fake book, exactly as printed, no more, no less. The audience would, of course, wonder what people could ever have seen in jazz.

Here's my own contribution to the mystery list: Why would anybody who isn't a brass player ever want to listen to "Carnival of Venice?" It's just as trite as 18th-century tablemusic. The only thing it has going for it is that we brass musicians know it's not easy to play.

Cheers,
Allen

Chuck Jackson · Post by **Chuck Jackson** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:47 pm

Bad music elevated to High Art? The cause? Chernobyl? El Nino? Someone probably needed tenure.

Chuck"who once sat through an evening of 16th Century Central American Choral Music presented by a tenure seeking Asst. Prof. who actually got it after the concert. It was the worst musical experience of my life because in 3 hours they sang 1 and he talked 2. And I didn't get laid by the cute Soprano I was there to watch even though she hinted that it would be nice to see me there and maybe we could hook up. She ended up marrying the Prof. A true story of being had twice in the same evening, oh and did I mention I was one of 16 people in the audience, many of whom were guys mooning over the Soprano?"Jackson

Tom Holtz · Post by **Tom Holtz** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:57 pm

Chuck Jackson wrote:Chuck"who once sat through an evening of 16th Century Central American Choral Music presented by a tenure seeking Asst. Prof. who actually got it after the concert. It was the worst musical experience of my life because in 3 hours they sang 1 and he talked 2. And I didn't get laid by the cute Soprano I was there to watch even though she hinted that it would be nice to see me there and maybe we could hook up. She ended up marrying the Prof. A true story of being had twice in the same evening, oh and did I mention I was one of 16 people in the audience, many of whom were guys mooning over the Soprano?"Jackson

That, sir, is a world-class signature. F-ing cosmic.

Allen · Post by **Allen** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:04 pm

EuphManRob:

I think the kind of music you're complaining about could be termed 18th-century Muzak. And yes, it wasn't intended to be LISTENED to.

Cheers,
Allen

Lee Jacobs · Post by **Lee Jacobs** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 2:21 pm

The only thing that I can't stand more than the Vaughan Williams Concerto is a piece that quotes the Vaughan Williams Concerto. The VW and Gregson are two pieces I would pay to never have to hear or play again.

TubaRay · Post by **TubaRay** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 2:36 pm

Lee Jacobs wrote:The only thing that I can't stand more than the Vaughan Williams Concerto is a piece that quotes the Vaughan Williams Concerto. The VW and Gregson are two pieces I would pay to never have to hear or play again.

If you will send me a nice, crisp $100 bill, I will make absolutely certain that you will never have to hear either of those two pieces, ever again, while in my house. I solemnly promise.

The Big Ben · Post by **The Big Ben** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 4:08 pm

Chuck Jackson wrote:Bad music elevated to High Art? The cause? Chernobyl? El Nino? Someone probably needed tenure.

Chuck"who once sat through an evening of 16th Century Central American Choral Music presented by a tenure seeking Asst. Prof. who actually got it after the concert. It was the worst musical experience of my life because in 3 hours they sang 1 and he talked 2. And I didn't get laid by the cute Soprano I was there to watch even though she hinted that it would be nice to see me there and maybe we could hook up. She ended up marrying the Prof. A true story of being had twice in the same evening, oh and did I mention I was one of 16 people in the audience, many of whom were guys mooning over the Soprano?"Jackson

What are *you* whining about, Jackson? You got f**ked, just not in the way you intended...

Chuck Jackson · Post by **Chuck Jackson** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:09 pm

What are *you* whining about, Jackson? You got f**ked, just not in the way you intended...

Yup, all the work, none of the reward. Kinda like your sex life on a Friday night.

Chuck"who would quote a Keith Obermann favorite from his Sports Center days, but thinks it would be lost here"Jackson

LoyalTubist · Post by **LoyalTubist** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 11:48 pm

Greg, what you need are some extended play CDs of one hit wonders from the 1960s, -70s, and -80s, but nothing past 1985!

SplatterTone · Post by **SplatterTone** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 1:16 am

look beyond the top 40 lists.

A few thoughts in no particular order ...
The fabulous mandolin playing of Chris Thile.

Give them some cuts from Ah Via Musicom by Eric Johnson -- Trademark is a favorite of mine on that album.

Yessongs was a complete innovation when it hit.

Hey kids! There was all this creativity and innovation from about the mid 60's to around the mid 80's. Then most of it died out. Back then, most stations played top 40. Now most stations play "Classical Rock". Hmmmmm. (or Country ... stick your finger down your throat. But, I must admit, some of the best instrumentalists are playing country -- such a waste.)

For a little "And now for something completely different": Atom Heart Mother Suite by Pink Floyd.

I think the B side of Spanky and Our Gang's Without Rhyme or Reason is the finest example I've ever heard of assembling one side of an album into an extended work. If you can find a copy of the album for a reasonable price, it's worth it.
http://tinyurl.com/2vfh47
(And let me know where I can get it on CD if you find it.)

And let's not leave the unique Mike Oldfield out of the picture. Tubular Bells and Hergest Ridge

Give them a listen to The Inner Mounting Flame from John McLaughlin and the Mahavishnu Orchestra
http://tinyurl.com/3c3o2x

There was what I think was called "Fusion" genre from folks like Chick Corea and Jan Hammer. Oh Yeah?, for example.
http://tinyurl.com/2j2q9z

Instead of the same old classical music, try some early music. Ears raised on modern music might find the simpler harmonies and often driving rhythms to be more their liking. I like Ensemble Unicorn. For example:
(some more of that recorder music)
http://tinyurl.com/377b4c
(The album)
http://tinyurl.com/2vr4pj

SplatterTone · Post by **SplatterTone** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:17 am

Would you like to have a recital and someone afterwards tell you that your interpretation was the worst they had ever heard?

Oh, that would be fine. I lift weights and use lots of steroids. I'd just whip their *** and say: Gosh, that felt really good. I hope somebody else says that to me.

TubaRay · Post by **TubaRay** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:19 am

bloke wrote: There is quite a bit of difference between the concepts of "courtesy" and "respect".

For instance, out of "courtesy" I refrained from contradicting a post of yours in another thread, even though I did not "respect" the premise of that post.

Excellent distinction between the two terms, however both courtesy and respect are often missing in TubeNet posts.

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 11:11 am

TubaRay wrote:Excellent distinction between the two terms, however both courtesy and respect are often missing in TubeNet posts.

Well, respect, courtesy, and satire are all parts of this post! (at least technically... )