Female versus male teachers

[windshieldbug]

(These must be pictures of lady tuba players/professors/soloists...)!

I hear AngelEyez teaches a MONSTER music history class!

[Uncle Buck]

A clarification and an apology.

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I was more thinking about other good performers and teachers such as Gail Robertson, Deanna Swoboda, Stacey Baker, Melissa Williams or Kathy Brantigan to mention a few, who are rarely if at all mentioned. I was interested in understanding why there seems to be a general "discomfort" to talk about female teachers, or at least that is what transpires from many postings on this topic, while in reality - to the best of my knowledge - these women have good and male-crowded studios.

My wife often accusses me of not knowing how to really apologize - she tells me that my apologies often sound like "I'm sorry you are such a jerk, and I still think I'm right."

To list a few names of women who have successful careers and studios and ask why they are not mentioned more frequently on this board (with the claim that there appears to be a "discomfort" with discussing them) is quite a bold question/assertion. I don't think the question even deserves to be asked without a little more concrete analysis of how often various professionals are "mentioned" on this forum.

In other words, do your homework before making the accusation/question. Create a exhaustive list of all professional tuba and euphonium performers and teachers, and conduct searches of all TubeNet posts to track how often each one has been "mentioned" (either by name, performing group, or college/university). Then track any trends in those numbers.

At that point, if the numbers show a gender disparity, it would be appropriate to "ask" ("accuse") this forum why there is such a "discomfort" with discussing these individuals.

[lgb&dtuba]

I was interested in understanding why there seems to be a general "discomfort" to talk about female teachers, or at least that is what transpires from many postings on this topic,

Exactly how do you make a leap from you haven't seen such postings to there's a

general discomfort

here?

Let's test the waters.

Has anyone here studied with any of the teachers mentioned?

Gail Robertson, Deanna Swoboda, Stacey Baker, Melissa Williams or Kathy Brantigan

If so, where do they teach?

I disqualify myself from any comments on those teachers since I haven't studied with them and haven't heard of them. Of course, I'm an old f@rt and haven't heard of any of the current crop of men teachers either. Since I'm not looking for a teacher and have never made a post about any tuba teacher I guess I must have a discomfort level with all teachers.

[pwhitaker]

A clarification and an apology.
My original question had really nothing to do with a "sexist agenda." ...

Main Entry: sex·ism
Pronunciation: 'sek-"si-z&m
Function: noun
Etymology: 1sex + -ism (as in racism)
1 : prejudice or discrimination based on sex; especially : discrimination against women
2 : behavior, conditions, or attitudes that foster stereotypes of social roles based on sex
- sex·ist /'sek-sist/ adjective or noun

.... Hmm

[ZNC Dandy]

This reminds me of the seemingly constant Vienna Philharmonic debate.

Hence my comment about violin players (even though the Vienna debate centered, as I recall, on a trombone player). There are sections where women are well represented in the middle ranks but are much more rarely found in the principal chair. And there are orchestras that clearly discriminate on the basis of sex. There are reasons to discuss these things in the context of some of those groups, especially those in the Olde Worlde with more of a "sense of tradition" governing their attitudes.

That discussion you mentioned revealed all sides of the debate, with the consensus strongly biased towards the abilities of the performer and not the sex. It refutes rather than demonstrates what has been accused here.

Rick "tired of people with chips on their shoulders" Denney

I hope you are not referring to me? I'm in the same camp as you are. People need to stand on their own two feet and stop looking for someone to blame when life is seemingly unfair towards them. I should have done a better job clarifying my position. I should have said, "this is as ridiculous as the seeminly constant Vienna Philharmonic debate, people just need to drop it. Incidentally, I think that orchestra you were referring to was the Munich Philharmonic and the trombonist in question was Abbie Conant.