euphguy wrote:Chris, if you haven't realized from being on this discussion board (tubenet) long enough, there are people who have humongous egos and think that they have every right to tell someone they are wrong when in fact they are the last people who should be doling out advice or their opinion to others. What they seem to forget from their childhood is that in some way or another, they probably did the same thing to people and they forget what it is like to be in high school again or just plain young again because their dried up souls haven't allowed them to feel young in years. I and others understand where you were trying to take this. The ones with sticks up their butts are the same ones that yell at someone if they forget to put the city of an upcoming recital or concert and just put the initials of the university in their haste. Just ridiculously stupid things that only they have time for when they know they should be practicing instead. So don't sweat it man. These people who are up your butt about this are only looking to pick fights on tubenet like always. Its always the same people too. You will see that. Just learn to ignore them and be the better person.
Or we could be trying to help him, and others, avoid the same mistakes that we made...Nah, I guess we're all just assholes
Don't sweat it Chris. As I read it, the concensus is that you are a pretty good guy and I agree. It is a nice thing to not touch off explosions like this one but sometimes they need to be done. I, and many other posters so far, do not consider you a bad guy, just a bit mislead or, in some peoples estimation, young. What you described brings to mind something that was painful to some of us and is still painful to some no matter how it is meant. Try not to take these posts personally, most were not meant so. Do try to take their message into consideration as most come from experience. Finally, be proud. You have touched off one of the better tubenet riots I have seen in a long time. They are fun and educational.
I'll chime in with my high school marching band's initiations. I had fun with them to be honest, and don't see much negativity here(i'm now a sophomore college student).
The freshman get their houses toilet papered the night after their first game in the wee hours of the morning. When you wake up, the outside of your house is white. All of it was very easy to clean up, no wet stuff or anything. If it happens to rain, the upperclassmen either go and help all the clean up, or if it's raining b4 the TPing even happens it is delayed a few more nights.
The other thing is on the bus ride to the first game, freshmen are encouraged to stand up and sing some embarrassingly annoying pop song like Britney Spears or something from the boy bands. To be honest, I was sitting next to someone who was very nervous about this. When they got to him, he asked if I could sing with him. Then the next person asked to not sing and no one forced her. She was perfectly initiated and looked at as an equal cuz people knew that she was pulling her own weight in the band on the field, where it counted most.
I think some of these traditions can get out of hand, originally most hazings start out as fun and escalate to out of hand, or just be taken differently by different kids with different experiences. If that girl had been forced to get up and sing, I do think that she would have cried and it would have been a huge ordeal. So yes it IS a form of hazing, but the degree of hurt that it can do to someone can only be determined by that person(victim). It is not worth it to keep it going until that line, a very thin line, between fun and hurt is crossed.
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Jon Meyer wrote:
High schoolers (no offense to you on the board) are generally still pretty immature. With immaturity comes ignorance. Ignorance plus hazing equals...well...it equals the possibility of someone getting seriously hurt.
So no disipline is allowed? Broke arm fom doing push-ups? Give me a break (no pun inteneded). Next, directors won't be allow to insist on the horns being angle above level, and practice with exagerated angles. I ran laps more than once carying a tuba (concert horn) as punishment for low horn, or late attacks. After a few time, I quit making stupid mistakes.
where I had to cancel my audition as a result of a busted lip.
Sorry about you lip. I don't know what led to that, but A few unexpected things could lead there. Then again, I marche a show with a bleeding forehead. Why? I raised a sousaphone over my head when the team scored while waiting on the sideline before the show. Mouthpeice and bits fell out and the mpc rim hit me in the forehead. Who'd thunk it
LarryR wrote:Atta boy, Chris...change it to all the politcailly correct lingo and it's all fine!
I will admit I did send a new engineer out one time to purchase a blcok stretcher, left-handed screwdrivers and collapsible nails...
Anybody heard the news stories about the Milton Acadamy hockey team? What clasification does that fall under???
Sure have. But its another case of not letting a few bad apples spoil the bunch. The few gentlemen I know at Milton Academy are fine young men who find the whole ordeal their school is dealing with to be an embarrassment and nuisance.
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