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stainless steel plating a mpc?
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 1:49 pm
by tubaman5150
Does anyone know of a place that stainless steel plates mouthpieces?
Re: stainless steel plating a mpc?
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 3:05 pm
by Dean E
tubaman5150 wrote:Does anyone know of a place that stainless steel plates mouthpieces?
Stainless steel is an alloy and probably cannot be "plated." Copper, chromium, nickel, silver maybe. I could be wrong.
Re: stainless steel plating a mpc?
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 3:21 pm
by Chuck(G)
Dean E wrote:tubaman5150 wrote:Does anyone know of a place that stainless steel plates mouthpieces?
Stainless steel is an alloy and probably cannot be "plated." Copper, chromium, nickel, silver maybe. I could be wrong.
Depends on what you mean by "plating". If you mean electrodeposition in a conventional water-based plating bath, you're probably correct.
But there is a procedure called IPS (Ion Plating Stainless) that involves a type of plasma coating in a vacuum chamber. It's used a lot for things like watch cases and, like PVD (which I'd try on a mouthpiece before I'd do IPS) is best done in bulk (e.g., by hundred or thousand quantity).
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 3:21 pm
by iiipopes
You're right: you can only plate (with possibly only a few esoteric exceptions) with pure metals. Stainless steel is iron, carbon, nickel, and depending on its application can have a few other elements in small proportions. However, there are a couple of places that make solid stainless steel mouthpieces. I just can't recall them just now.
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 3:22 pm
by Lew
iiipopes wrote:You're right: you can only plate (with possibly only a few esoteric exceptions) with pure metals. Stainless steel is iron, carbon, nickel, and depending on its application can have a few other elements in small proportions. However, there are a couple of places that make solid stainless steel mouthpieces. I just can't recall them just now.
G&W,
http://www.gwmouthpieces.com/
and Houser (loud mouthpieces),
http://www.loudmouthpieces.com/
both of whom are Tubenet sponsors.
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 4:06 pm
by TubaRay
Not only are these two guys TubeNet sponsors, they have developed a great reputation in a very short time. If I were in the market for such a product, I would readily deal with one or the other. They have been getting rave reviews on their service and I have heard nothing but good things concerning the quality of their products.
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 5:20 pm
by Ryan_Beucke
Just want to point out that Houser also has his own line of mouthpieces, and does modifications/copies of mouthpieces, including in stainless steel.
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 5:43 pm
by TubaRay
So, Wade, when are you going to order a stainless steel knockoff of the 24AW?
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 5:51 pm
by ZACH336
TubaRay wrote:
Not only are these two guys TubeNet sponsors, they have developed a great reputation in a very short time. If I were in the market for such a product, I would readily deal with one or the other. They have been getting rave reviews on their service and I have heard nothing but good things concerning the quality of their products.
very true. I took lessons with Ivan for a few years world class guy and a good player on top of that. I remember showing up every week to find some sort of strange new creation sitting around lol. I live only 15 minutes away so i'm going to visit soon and hopefully try out the many mp's the two of the have created.
I am probably going to purchase the taku or the williwaw, wouldn't mind having a bayamo also lol.
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:41 pm
by tubaman5150
the elephant wrote:Further, "plating" a solid brass mouthpiece with stainless will have pretty much zero effect on how it plays. It would only net you cosmetic and "feel" changes. The whole thing about the stainless craze is that the pieces are solid stainless, which has differing characteristics from brass or bronze, according to some. Others say that only the shapes of the new mouthpieces make for the improvement in sound, volume, clarity, and slotting, and not the material.
I think that it is a combination of the two and that plating an old piece in stainless would be costly and mostly a waste of time.
But if you have this done, please tell us what you think of the results. It will give the TubeNet Freak Jury lots to froth about.
I'm not really interested in trying this myself. My old teacher wants to plate his old Perantuccis in stainless steel because he likes the way it feels on his face. He would get them gold plated, but I think he's allergic to it or he has some reason why he doesn't like it.
It doesn't really look like its going to be practical at this point.
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:54 pm
by Chuck(G)
tubaman5150 wrote:I'm not really interested in trying this myself. My old teacher wants to plate his old Perantuccis in stainless steel because he likes the way it feels on his face. He would get them gold plated, but I think he's allergic to it or he has some reason why he doesn't like it.
It doesn't really look like its going to be practical at this point.
If he's not allergic to nickel, a simple nickel plating job should be close enough to the feel of stainless.
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 12:00 am
by imperialbari
Chuck(G) wrote:If he's not allergic to nickel, a simple nickel plating job should be close enough to the feel of stainless.
And if he doesn’t like the nickel plating, he can always peel it off.
Klaus
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 2:47 am
by Daniel C. Oberloh
Standard electroplating can not be used for depositing stainless coatings. Alloys of non-ferrous metals like brass, 18k and 22k gold can and are plated for decorative purposes.
Best regards,
Daniel C. Oberloh
Oberloh Woodwind and Brass Works
Seattle, WA
206.241.5767
www.oberloh.com
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 10:57 am
by TubaRay
the elephant wrote:
Hey Ray! You liked my little trolling joke, huh? Heh, heh, heh . . .
Maybe I will get that Blessing 18 copied in beryllium. Ought to be worth every penny!
No doubt about it!