What is the difference BBb and Bb

Brassdad · Post by **Brassdad** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:41 am

Just showing my ignorance and looking for som schoolin'

Allen · Post by **Allen** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 11:18 am

First of all, those terms are not as standardized as we would like.

The distinction between BBb and Bb (as well as between CC and C) is supposed to be one of octaves -- BBb is an octave lower than Bb.

A BBb tuba is our familiar one; a Bb tuba is a tenor tuba, generally known as a euphonium.

The higher pitched common Eb tuba has only a single E because it is pitched within the octave above the one that contains the BBb tuba.

Just to make life more complicated, the British frequently refer to their larger size Eb tubas as EEb tubas, even though they are the same pitch! Further, many of us will refer to our BBb tubas as "Bb tubas," and CC tubas as "C tubas."

So there it is: a mish-mash of academic exactness, marketing flim-flam, folklore and habit -- just like many other areas in life.

Cheers,
Allen Walker

Rick Denney · Post by **Rick Denney** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 3:29 pm

Brassdad wrote:Just showing my ignorance and looking for som schoolin'

None.

The designation is a misapplication of an old octave designation system that went bb, Bb, BBb, BBBb, etc. But that system broke the octave at the boundary between B and C, so if a CC tuba is CC, then a BBb should be BBBb. And if a BBb is correct, the CC should just be C.

It became a common but not universal practice, therefore, to represent contrabass tubas with the doubled letters, bass tubas with single letters unless it's an Eb and you are Besson, and single letters for tenor tubas. But I think the tenor tubas already have names, even if it's "tenor tuba" and this use of doubled letters is not well enough accepted to be dependable.

I have frequently referred to contrabass Bb tubas as both BBb and Bb, often in the same sentence. I know many others who have done the same. Likewise CC and C. I think it would be a very rare case that someone saying "Bb tuba" means a tenor tuba or euphonium.

Rick "who thinks this is one of many confusing nomenclature issues with tubas" Denney

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 3:55 pm

Just to further confuse things, remember B in German notation is B flat, while H in German notation = B natural (B-A-C-H... )

Randy Beschorner · Post by **Randy Beschorner** » Sat Oct 08, 2005 12:46 am

Bloke wrote:

BBb - Bb = B

I would challenge the accuracy of the formula.
My math professor, Karl Hofenrichter would have gently,
Germanly corrected me if I had submitted that.
He would state instead:

BBb/Bb=B

GC · Post by GC » Sat Oct 08, 2005 12:58 am

BBb - Bb = Bb(B - 1)

Kevin Hendrick · Post by **Kevin Hendrick** » Sat Oct 08, 2005 1:23 am

Randy Beschorner wrote:Bloke wrote:

BBb - Bb = B

I would challenge the accuracy of the formula.
My math professor, Karl Hofenrichter would have gently,
Germanly corrected me if I had submitted that.
He would state instead:

BBb/Bb=B

GC wrote:BBb - Bb = Bb(B - 1)

B that as it may ...

Leland · Post by **Leland** » Sat Oct 08, 2005 11:21 am

Kevin Hendrick wrote:B that as it may ...

Oh no... what is this thread going to B-come...

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Sat Oct 08, 2005 11:37 am

Leland wrote:Oh no... what is this thread going to B-come...

Stop it B-for it can multiply!

BopEuph · Post by **BopEuph** » Sat Oct 08, 2005 11:53 am

Leland wrote: Stop it B-for it can multiply!

I thought it already did, well B-for you said that:

bloke wrote:btw: BBb X Bb = BBBbb

Nick

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Sat Oct 08, 2005 1:38 pm

bloke wrote:btw: BBb X Bb = BBBbb

BBBbb = AAA

B-ware those driving clubs!!!

Brassdad · Post by **Brassdad** » Sat Oct 08, 2005 3:08 pm

OK.........

2B or not BB

Kevin Hendrick · Post by **Kevin Hendrick** » Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:14 pm

Brassdad wrote:OK.........

2B or not BB

Hmmm ... in Navy ship codes, "BB" indicates a battleship, which seems reasonable for our lowest contrabass tubas ...

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Sat Oct 08, 2005 10:37 pm

B there or B []

Rick Denney · Post by **Rick Denney** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 12:18 am

Sheesh. Another thread B-yond hope.

Rick "expecting it to B 'moved'" Denney

Kevin Hendrick · Post by **Kevin Hendrick** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 2:06 am

schlepporello wrote:If you don't C# you will Bb.

Naturally!

Brassdad · Post by **Brassdad** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 10:24 pm

While this may not B the best example of classical play, it is a classic in and of it's self.
http://disneyshorts.toonzone.net/years/ ... cert1.html

Randy Beschorner · Post by **Randy Beschorner** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:01 am

I can't tell. Is the tuba to Mickey's left raw or lacquered brass. Rotary or Piston valves? How many fingers does the tuba player have?

Tom Mason · Post by **Tom Mason** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:00 am

I'm suprised that the word B has not been explored in the context of its context as an adverb

He B
She B
They B
We B

Tom Mason
It B good to have a gooder grammar lessen here.

Tom Mason · Post by **Tom Mason** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:17 am

Might it B mo goodlier?

Tom Mason

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