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First of all I would like to congratulate to Ms. Jantsch for winnig the tuba position in Philadelphia! It's great!!

Altough I'm sure that she plays great, and with a great sense, I've one question. I find the sample-Hachaturjan not exactly played. Or is it just the quality of the recording? I find it a bit monodynamic, and intonation isn't all right as well? I know its a live recording!

Sorry if it sounds negativ, I dont want to degrade Ms. Jantsch' great playing, I just want to find out, what makes her so good in others opinion!!

Thanks a lot.

Could you please post a link to a recording of yourself playing it CORRECTLY?
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Joe Baker, who isn't the MOST discerning listener, but was wowed by both technique and musicality in the Carol Jantsch recording.

ubq wrote:Altough I'm sure that she plays great, and with a great sense, I've one question. I find the sample-Hachaturjan not exactly played.

Remember that she was 17 when she performed the Katchaturian.

And what gave it value was the musicality. I don't hear a lot of precision from very many solo violinists, though the good ones are usually musically accurate. Most take some liberty.

Rick "who played Air and Bourree--badly--when he was 17" Denney

Thats the point !

The musicality is there, and I really admire it. My question was important because if you make an audition, musicality comes after perfection! Violinist' doesn't play perfect all the time at all thats ok, too !! But unfortunately this is much difficult tu recognise, then on the tuba.

Again: Ms. Jantsch' playing is wondreful-I did not know that she was 17 at that time- I was watching-listening just from a auditions point of vieuw !!

Thanks for the answers

ubq wrote:The musicality is there, and I really admire it. My question was important because if you make an audition, musicality comes after perfection! Violinist' doesn't play perfect all the time at all thats ok, too !! But unfortunately this is much difficult tu recognise, then on the tuba.

Okay, I see where you are going with this. You are saying that here is a 20-year-old who won a first-tier orchestra gig, when some of her playing was musical but without the degree of perfection that is usually assumed to be required.

Let us make the distinction between making a mistake and taking artistic liberties (without assigning this distinction to Janstch's Katchaturian). An artist may choose to emphasize a particular aspect of a performance and set aside some other aspect as being unimportant to the musical objective. That is quite different than lacking the control needed to make such decisions. I believe that the difference will glow in the dark, even if both performances, when analyzed by a computer, show "errors".

Of course, most lack of precision will upset the cohesion and musicality of an ensemble, and most of an audition is playing an ensemble part. The precision takes a much higher priority in the musical equation than in a solo setting.

When I listen to Gene Pokorny's Excerpts CD, I hear a human performance, but every single thing that the composer wrote as instruction to the player is there. The humanity sits on top of that. But when Gene plays, say, a Bach unaccompanied flute sonata on tuba, he makes a range of musical decisions that are not notated at all.

I have this feeling that Ms. Janstch delivered the goods on precision in her audition, where it was musically necessary to do so.

Rick "who thinks the perfection has to serve the musical objective, not the other way around" Denney

Ms. Jantsch did what she needed to do to gain international exposure and experience. That she was able to do so at such a young age understandably has many critics, but, nonetheless, she accomplished what she needed to, both musically and otherwise. To which I can only stand in awe

windshieldbug wrote:Ms. Jantsch did what she needed to do to gain international exposure and experience. That she was able to do so at such a young age understandably has many critics, but, nonetheless, she accomplished what she needed to, both musically and otherwise. To which I can only stand in awe

Same, here.

That recording was just her audition tape to get to the audition, if I read the article correctly. It is not necessarily how she played at the audition.

Stefan

I think that perfection is probably impossible to reach, after all we're only human and it’s easy to judge, from our side of the fence... Maybe Ms Carol had no competition at this particular audition which allowed her to skate thru easily but I doubt it! She sounds awesome and why make any derogatory comments about her performances? She has a proven track record and will only grow as she matures. To me, age has nothing to do with it and there are many young performers that play very well, in fact better than many of us...

Joe Baker wrote:Could you please post a link to a recording of yourself playing it CORRECTLY?

Still waiting...

We may not know her...
We may not have seen her perform in concert...
But we still feel the need to criticize???

Someone has dipped into the HATERAIDE.

I do not know Ms. Jantsch but as a parent of an aspiring 18 year old tuba player with the same ambitions and as a 40 year old hacker...Hats off to her.

Doug "Who at 40 still wishes he could he could play as well as his son" Black, Sr.

One easy way to see what makes Carol Jantsch such a special musician is to get the music for Khachaturian and try playing it yourself. I guarantee you'll find that what she makes sound so easy and natural is extraordinarily difficult. Give it a try and see what you think.

ubq wrote:First of all I would like to congratulate to Ms. Jantsch for winnig the tuba position in Philadelphia! It's great!!

Altough I'm sure that she plays great, and with a great sense, I've one question. I find the sample-Hachaturjan not exactly played. Or is it just the quality of the recording? I find it a bit monodynamic, and intonation isn't all right as well? I know its a live recording!

Sorry if it sounds negativ, I dont want to degrade Ms. Jantsch' great playing, I just want to find out, what makes her so good in others opinion!!

Thanks a lot.

If there's a link to the performance in question, could someone please post in in this thread?

GC wrote:If there's a link to the performance in question, could someone please post in in this thread?

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/b ... 965758.htm

You'll find the link right below the title of the article. It's a one minute excerpt (with an 18 second piano introduction ). I'd love to hear the whole thing.

Thanks.

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TubaAS wrote:
No one on here did, but several people whom I respected greatly as musicians and people have said this to me in normal conversations, and I felt it was necessary to say something in a public forum to discourage anyone else from making such an immature comment.

It's good to know that whenever there's something immature or insensitive to say, TubeNet has Andy to do the job.

Barney wrote:

GC wrote:If there's a link to the performance in question, could someone please post in in this thread?

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/b ... 965758.htm

You'll find the link right below the title of the article. It's a one minute excerpt (with an 18 second piano introduction ). I'd love to hear the whole thing.

Thanks -- just listened to it. She does "play the socks off it", doesn't she? Very impressive.