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Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 11:50 am
by Chuck(G)
Which Besson F are you considering?

There were some pre-war models made in the 20's and 30's, as well as the Barlow model. There were two more resurrections of the F that I know of--one, a small compensator in the 1960's, and the most recent abandoned modification of the 983 Eb model.

Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 12:43 pm
by Chuck(G)
A friend owned AJ's little Besson before he sold it to buy an Alex F. He described it as the loudest F tuba he'd ever played. He confirms Joe's statement about the uncertain intonatoin. All in all, he thought he got the better horn with the Alex.

Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 4:38 pm
by imperialbari
The circa 1998 prototypes used a compensating valve block with a bore larger than even the one used for the 993 and 994 BBb compensating tubas. My galleries hold this documentation:

Thumbnails of three samples of a circa 1998 prototype for a Besson 985 F tuba with 4 front action compensating pistons, a model that never was set into production. The dimensions can be read from the caption of the first picture:

http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/yo ... ba+4P+comp

http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/yo ... F+tuba+4FP

If I should comment on the resurrection of the 75 years old Besson F tuba, then I would say, that there is a fairly easy road to go:

The old valve block had the same bore dimensions as the one of the present 981/982 Eb tubas. The modern valve blocks can have their valve tubing cut down to F lengths without too much trouble.

On diverse online auctions one often sees period Eb tubas offered. Often with accessible price tags, as the valves are shot.

Get such a carcass with a suitable wrap, cut some cylindric tubing, and mount a modern and modified valve block.

The last decision to be taken: Which leadpipe?

If you want to play with the original small bore shank, then get a spare leadpipe for the old Imperial/New Standard Eb.

If you want a large modern leadpipe allowing modern standard mouthpieces, then take a leadpipe from a 981 or 982 Eb.

As much as I prefer the fast expanding 981 leadpipe for my modern purposes, I think, that it would defy the purpose of this project. So the slower expanding 982 leadpipe probably would be optimal for this project.

Klaus

PS: As obvious from the addresses given above and from the signature lines below here my galleries are organised in the form of a series of Yahoo groups. By definition (from Yahoo) stored files and photos, close to 50MB in each group, are only available to group members.

But then these groups are welcoming virtually everybody.

Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 4:47 pm
by UDELBR
imperialbari's Yahoo group wrote: Error
GROUP_CHECK

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