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Blazhevich - Public Domain
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:55 pm
by smaxwell
Does anyone know if the Blazevich etudes are in public domain?
I know that his dates are 1881-1942 but I don't know the dates of the etudes.
Any help would be much appreciated!
Thanks.
HIJACK - Trombone Clef Studies
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:00 pm
by sloan
sorry for butting in...but I'm still looking for Blazevich's Clef Studies for Trombone...
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:13 pm
by Alex C
I don't think a copyright attorney would want to touch this one.
The copyright laws between the US and the Soviet Union were one-sided at best. The copyright laws between the US and Russia are low on the list of priorities though I believe that Russia now "officially" subscribes to International copyright conventions.
Which means, that if there is a copyright holder in Russia, they might file a lawsuit for infringement. I'm sure if you ask Robert King Publishers they will tell you that they are the copyright holders for the US. However I believe that they only hold a copyright for their publication of the Etudes. You might ask Robert King publishers but I doubt they would even respond, it's not to their advantage.
But then, that's why there are judges and courts.
You could go ahead and invest a couple of thousand dollars in an opinion from an attorney (which may still end up in a court).
Re: Blazhevich - Public Domain
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:14 pm
by windshieldbug
smaxwell wrote:Does anyone know if the Blazevich etudes are in public domain?
I know that his dates are 1881-1942 but I don't know the dates of the etudes
There are lots of other issues than public domain; you may want to check
here
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:22 pm
by BVD Press
If you do contact Robert King, I will attempt to save you some time:
Cintact Alphonse LeDuc in France. They are the current owners of Robert King.
http://www.alphonseleduc.com/english/index.htm
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If the Blazevich Etudes were copyrighted before 1923 AND you have a copy dated with that date you are free to do whatever you would like with that version.
Re: HIJACK - Trombone Clef Studies
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 8:00 pm
by Chuck(G)
sloan wrote:sorry for butting in...but I'm still looking for Blazevich's Clef Studies for Trombone...
Stanton's has it in their catalog:
http://www.stantons.com/details/index.p ... parID=1039
as does Hal Leonard online:
http://www.halleonard.com/item_detail.j ... ef+studies+
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 8:10 pm
by BVD Press
Email me off the list if you are still unable to get it. I don't carry it, but I can get it for you.
Take care,
Re: HIJACK - Trombone Clef Studies
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 8:28 pm
by sloan
Order in to Stanton's....keeping my fingers crossed...
Re: HIJACK - Trombone Clef Studies
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:51 pm
by Chuck(G)
Uh, no they don't--but they can get it for you
Real Soon Now:
Availability: Usually ships within 1 to 3 weeks. Ships from and sold by Amazon.com.
I ordered one of those "we can get it for you" books from Amazon--after a year and a half of
Real Soon Now, they cancelled the order. In fact, the book that I ordered was never printed at all--it was just a fiction in the Amazon database...
Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:31 am
by smaxwell
Thank you all for the info!
Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:18 pm
by Chuck(G)
Mike Johnson wrote:A mature student of mine has an original Russian version of the Studies, they are in one book and there are a few note difference from the Robert King edition. I would presume that there are no restrictions on the original.
If you can find one!!
Mike
That might be a faulty presumption. It all hinges on when the studies were first published. If 1923 or later, the "restored" coyright governs what can be done with them, regardless of the original status of the copy you have.
That is, if is goverened by a restored copyright, you still may not copy or arrange it without permission.
Given that Blazhevich got his teaching gig at the Moscow Conservatory in 1920, this makes the question of original publication date very important for your purposes.
Re: HIJACK - Trombone Clef Studies
Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 11:41 am
by sloan
sloan wrote:
Uh-oh...just got the dreaded "backorder - will arrive in 7-10 days" e-mail from Stanton's. Place your bets here.
Order in to Stanton's....keeping my fingers crossed...
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 12:12 am
by sloan
backordered...feh!
Public Domain--- Blazevich
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:08 am
by DonnieMac
European copyrights or better copyrights in European countries have had a term wherein the copyright expired and the work entered the public domain 50 years following the death of the author/composer. Thus in all reasonable probability with Blazevich's death in 1942 his copyrighted works would have passed into the public domain in 1992 at least in the European countries where copyright was effected. Russia did not get on the copyright bandwagon until almost recently, sometimes in the 1970's I think. Copyright there is moot for B's works. So who would ever bother you for fussing, Xerox copiers and all, with B's materials?
DonnieMac
Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 12:53 pm
by BVD Press
Hi Steve and Kenneth,
I did some checking on the book (Clef Studies) a while back, but apparently forgot to post!
Although the distibutor did not put in the words I am going to use, it is out of print for the forseeable future because of copyright restrictions. They have hopes of getting it back in print, but I wouldn't hold you breath!
Your best bet may be to contact a bunch of dealers and see if they have one on their shelves.
If it does come back in print, I will let you all know right away!
Re: Public Domain--- Blazevich
Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 2:13 pm
by Chuck(G)
DonnieMac wrote: Russia did not get on the copyright bandwagon until almost recently, sometimes in the 1970's I think. Copyright there is moot for B's works. So who would ever bother you for fussing, Xerox copiers and all, with B's materials?
DonnieMac
...ever hear of "restored" copyrights? Under the terms of the 1978 Uruguay Round talks of GATT, works of Russian composers formerly considered to be in the public domain can be granted full-term US coypright protection, simply by the claimant filing a letter of "exception". That's why, for example, Shostakovich excerpts suddenly got very difficult to publish, even though prior to 1978 in the US, they were treated as public domain.
When it comes to foreign works, be very careful before declaring them to be PD.
BLAZEVICH --PUBLIC DOMAIN
Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 2:47 am
by DonnieMac
Here's a good general copyright rule: 50 years following the death of the author the work passes into the public domain. But then if the planets align properly see:
http://www.copyright.gov/gatt.html