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sellman oval baritone on ebay
Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:54 pm
by ken k
Has anyone played one of these?
I know I know I know, they are no doubt cheap crap from China or India. Actually from the pix they do not look bad at all. they even make shiny silver or nickel ones.
My thought is that for a young elementary student they may be just the ticket, being lighter and easier to hold and carry than the typical student baritone/euphonium. I have a few of the small King 3/4 size baritones at the elementary school where I teach and they are nice but they are also over $1200.
For $219 bucks I thought i'd buy one and see what they are like. They also have a 7 day return option.
ken k
Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 6:06 pm
by Alex F
sorry . . . I thought I was sending a PM.
I do appreciate the reply though. Thanks.
Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 9:54 pm
by ken k
Alex F wrote:Hi Ken,
I'm looking around for a smaller bore tenor 'bone. I'm fixated on a 3b yellow bell but Steve Ferguson and Noah at Hornguys don't have any in stock. They do have have 2 Getzens, a 1050, a .508 straight, and a 3058Y. a ..500/.508 dual bore w changeable leadpipes.
I already own a symphonic tenor (Courtois) and a medium bore Kuhnl & Hoyer. I'd use the small bore for traditional jazz/big band type stuff.
I thought that I saw a post by you on the Getzens on either TubeNet or the OTJF, but I may be wrong.
Do you have any opinions on either of the three horns.
Thanks,
Alex
Hello Alex,
I cannot comment on the two Getzen horns you mentioned, since I have not played either. I will say that I am very impressed with the quality of the Getzen and Edwards horns. I owned an Edwards bass bone for about 7 years. Since I sold it I have had two Getzen bass bones, first the 1062 and now the 1052. My guess is that those two tenors are based on the same parts that make up the Edwards jazz bones, especially the 3508Y. I have noticed that the Getzen horns I have played (which are the basses, and the large bore tenors) seem to be heavier than other brands but I don't know if that applies to the small bore horns.
As for the 3B, I grew up playing one in junior high school and high school and kept mine through college for jazz playing even though I did get a large bore horn also. I play more tuba and bass bone now than tenor but I still use the silversonic when I have the chance. I always love the way they play but unfortunately I can't compare them to the Getzens, although it would seem that the King may have been the model for the Getzen horns since the bore size is .508.
The Getzen 3508Y sounds like an interesting horn with the changeable leadpipes and the dual bore. It also has a lighter and smaller bell. I would guess this is the Custom line since it has the interchangeable leadpipes. I checked them out on the Getzen website and they have nickel slides like the King also. I would guress this is the closest to a King in its style of playing, but that is just a guess after looking at the specs.
If you can try them out with an option to return it, i think it would be worth a try.
Sorry I couldn't be of more help, but I just am not much of a jazz bone player anymore.
Good luck with your search, always fun!
ken k
Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 10:11 pm
by Water Music
At TubaChristmas, I saw a guy with a Selman Oval Baritone.
Sounded awful...but I'm not sure if it was the guy or the horn.
Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 6:13 am
by iiipopes
On the rare occasion I play trombone, I play an early 60's H N White era King 3B with a Schilke 50 mouthpiece. Ahh. Great bone. I use the 50 because the deeper cup helps keep the low range from being so gravelly, but doesn't take that much more effort to play lead than a standard Bach style C cup, like a 12C. I paid $250 for mine in 1986 when I needed it to play for a local community band (not the one I play with now). The store was almost embarassed to sell it to me, and I had to make them dig in the back for used horns, as all they really wanted to sell me was a new Yammy. Yammy are good horns, but, my 3B is now worth @$1k, and what are the then-new Yammies now worth? (dead silence except for the crickets)
Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:20 am
by Slamson
i judged a contest last fall and a junior high kid brought in a Sellman baritone. after the kid played i examined it and it was absolutely horrible. i made the tragic mistake of mentioning that the kid's band director never should have bought the horn, and of course the kid's parents had bought it off of ebay...
horns like this should be banned. they are the worst thing that's happened to instrumental music education since, well, i don't know what. You give a kid a shiny new chunk of brass and she/he can't understand why he/she can't get a decent sound out of it after 4 weeks or so, and they get (justifiably) depressed and quit. A colleague in upstate NY got so upset that his local music teacher's association circulated a petition to get Wal-Mart to stop selling their disgusting clarinets and trumpets.
Sellman
Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 2:40 pm
by tubajon
"Sell" + "Man"