$5 for a tuba?!?

clagar777 · Post by **clagar777** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:25 am

So it is pretty clear that people aren't buying tubas right now. With everything else costing so much, how could they get a new tuba? Is there anything illegal about selling raffle tickets for a tuba? If you could win one for $5, $20, or even $50 would you try? It would only take 450 $20 tickets to make my goal!

(BTW: PT-606PS for sale)

TexTuba · Post by **TexTuba** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:27 am

clagar777 wrote:So it is pretty clear that people aren't buying tubas right now. With everything else costing so much, how could they get a new tuba? Is there anything illegal about selling raffle tickets for a tuba? If you could win one for $5, $20, or even $50 would you try? It would only take 450 $20 tickets to make my goal!

(BTW: PT-606PS for sale)

Is it just me, or is that not one of the most interesting ideas for selling a tuba? If you do it, put me down for 5!!

Ralph

trseaman · Post by **trseaman** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:41 am

I know you'd like to keep it but If you don't reach your goal, would the remaining money be refunded? Work out the details and get people signed up!!!

Tim

imperialbari · Post by **imperialbari** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:51 am

No!

By now I even wouldnâ€™t buy a new Jersey without trying it or an N. C. Durham record without listening it through for damages. This is not always possible with long distance acquisitions. But it is possible to develop a sense of fair buys. If one then is cheated by people parading their own "trustworthiness", then one gets mad.

Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre

Alex F · Post by **Alex F** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:05 am

A raffle is a "game of chance" and a host of regulatory requirements kick in, which vary from state to state. Normally, you would require state or local licensure, published rules, and have to comply with IRS regulations. This will generally rquire hiring an accountant and legal counsel, setting up a trust account, and your selling price would have to be increased substantially to pay all these expenses.

Other than that . . .Great idea.

Alex "who would never mess with the IRS" F.

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:58 am

clagar777 wrote:So it is pretty clear that people aren't buying tubas right now. With everything else costing so much, how could they get a new tuba? Is there anything illegal about selling raffle tickets for a tuba? If you could win one for $5, $20, or even $50 would you try? It would only take 450 $20 tickets to make my goal!

Depends on what your goal is, but I'm guessing that $9,000 won't buy two YamaYorks in this lifetime (one to award, and one for you) ... although, if you buy them over the net, you'll at least save the sales tax! (for now... )

J Stowe · Post by **J Stowe** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:37 pm

Raffling would be perfect for regional conferences or even ITEC. Maybe ITEA could swing some certification for it. Even better, it could be included in the fees, then everyone would have the same chance to get the horn. It could be like $5 added to the fee. Just a thought.

quinterbourne · Post by **quinterbourne** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:14 pm

Wouldn't the winner of the item need to pay tax on his/her winnings? Canada doesn't tax lottery winnings, but I know the US sure does (like 50%). The winner would potentially need to fork over $4500 to the gov't in taxes...

Also, how would it work if a non-US resident were to win the instrument, as far as taxes are concerned?

clagar777 · Post by **clagar777** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:20 pm

..I will probably just sell one ticket, for $9,000.

iiipopes · Post by **iiipopes** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:27 pm

NO.

Most states consider raffles illegal private lotteries, and depending on the particular state's laws, are either illegal because the state is not involved, or just plain illegal because all gambling is illegal. Common thread: illegal.

So why do churches and McDonalds get away with raffles, bingo and the other games?
1) They all have the "no purchase required" on the rules.
2) The churches still accept "requested donations."
3) Even though it's on the edge, most enforcement authorities have either been cleared in advance or look the other way.

DBCooper · Post by **DBCooper** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:25 pm

djohnson wrote: I also agree that their is always an exception to the always, or eveywhere, all inclusive type statements situation and opinions.

My head hurts. So if there is ALWAYS an exception to everything (including this statement), then there is no exception? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAK!!!!

J Stowe · Post by **J Stowe** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:39 pm

Assuming a raffle was cleared and publicized.. How awesome would that be for the progression of tuba/euphonium playing? Say that there are several horns a year won; this means that high school and middle school teachers would be tempted to attend the conferences or at least encourage their students to attend. If the teachers win, they have free, great instruments for their programs, but even if they don't, they have the experience to hear lectures on tuba/euphonium technique and musicianship from greats like Pokorney, Baer, and more.. and have their kids advancing in technique and sound as well. It'd probably be a major stretch, but at least it'd give an appeal for willing teachers to get involved. You have to bribe some teachers to go out of the way of their contracts, sorry to say.

imperialbari · Post by **imperialbari** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:37 pm

Isnâ€™t "raffle" spelt Raffles and being a world famous hotel in Singapore?

http://www.raffleshotel.com/

Just an attempt to bring this thread as much back on track as it ever will become.

Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre

clagar777 · Post by **clagar777** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:37 pm

imperialbari wrote:Isnâ€™t "raffle" spellt Raffles and being a world famous hotel in Singapore?

Spellt, hah, funny

imperialbari · Post by **imperialbari** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:47 pm

Better now?

Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre

iiipopes · Post by **iiipopes** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:17 am

Hey, don't tease Klaus for his spelling. He's a lot closer to the UK than most of us are, and the past tense verbs that end in "t" are legion compared to the US. So what if he added an extra "l," as in the Cockney pronunciation, "What the 'ell!"

Anyway, speaking of raffles and giveaways --

Hey, Sean -- all of these links in the right margins must be paying you fortune to include them, because their tag line of giving away a musical instrument of roughly $1500 to $2000 list price is really out there. Yes, you'll eventually qualify for the free instrument after you've taken their "survey," which means being tricked into buying about that much in useless garbage. Sean, once you click the link to see what it's really all about, I know you will discontinue them as a link. I followed one of them for a lark, and it postively would not let me "win" or "finish" until I had agreed to purchase long distance, diet supplements, mortgage quotes, "adult aids," pet supplies, pharmaceutical discount cards, etc. ad nauseam ad infinitum. Of course, I did not agree to purchase anything, and after awhile I was finally bumped out.

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