A few questions

[XtremeEuph]

Hey guys, I was just curious :

Is there a 'better order to learning triple/double tonguing?, is both at the same time a bad thing?

-A a compensating euph, when pulling the main slide, is it necessary to press the 4th valve down as well because I just realized that it IS connected to the 4th piston ttubing and I havent been pressing it down all the time (Ouch I know......what damage could It already have created with the pressure etc.?)


Thx...


Kevin

[Bill Troiano]

I would concentrate on learning triple tongueing first, assuming that you are using a ta ta ka articulation. If you can do that well, it has the double tongueing (ta ka) incorporated in it. I find students try to master double first out of necessity as we seem to use it more often . Then, triple is difficult to learn. Start with triple, and you'll have double pretty easily.

[windshieldbug]

If you're pulling the main tuning slide, one side is connnected to your bell, the other side to the mouthpipe and mouthpiece. Unless you're sealing those off, no worries, mate!

[XtremeEuph]

hmmmmmmmmm k then does anyone have the logical and or scientific reason why everyone is always told to push the valves down?

[Ryan_Beucke]

The idea is that if you push/pull the slides of a valve, it creates suction/pressure that can somehow damage or compromise the seal the valve makes. Whether or not this is true at all is up for debate. A very long debate.

[Mike Finn]

The last time this was discussed, something came up that actually made sense to me: the air pressure itself does not damage the instrument, but if there is some gunk in the slides, then that quick blast of air can suck it into the valves, which may cause some problems. As far as pressing valves when pulling the main slide, it is not necessary because it's not a closed system. Air flows freely between the bell and lead pipe, so no pressure builds up.
Hope this helps!
MF
Oh, and for double tongueing, if you can say tic-toc (like the sound a clock makes) you can double tongue. Just emphasise the "kuh" sound a little more than usual, and say it real fast, keeping the air flowing. tic-toc-tic-toc becomes tickuh-tockuh-tickuh-tockuh... of course for a more consistant sound, you want to use the same syllable but you get the idea.

[XtremeEuph]

Yay no depressin or stressin over the slide on ur Besson..............anyway Thanks, the tic toc thing looks like a helper!