Cerveny Cimbasso

[lowbrass-freak]

Hello,
is there anybody who has experience with a Cerveny Cimbasso?
I found a link on the web:
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For the moment I am playing a Melton Cimbasso.
I am planning to by a new one in the future.
I have been thinking about a Kallison Cimbasso, but they are out of production.
Anyone who has more recent news about Kalison and Walter Nirschl?

Thanks.
Frank Vantroyen[/url]

[quinterbourne]

Average bore for a (Bb) bass trombone is .562

However, the Meinl Weston cimbasso has a .728 bore.

My presumption would be that the Cerveny cimbasso is made for bass trombone players who wish to play cimbasso, while the Meinl Weston is made for tuba players who wish to play cimbasso.

I know the Meinl Weston accepts tuba mouthpieces - I wonder what kind of shank/receiver is on the Cerveny? With a bore of .56 I would suspect that it is a trombone (large shank) receiver... probably requiring a bass trombone mouthpiece to play.

[Z-Tuba Dude]

FWIW - I believe that the bore of the Cerveny cimbasso is actually .717

[SousaSaver]

If the bore on the Cerveny Cimbasso is indeed .717, then it should use a Tuba mouthpiece. In my opinion, a small shank Trombone mouthpiece would just be too darn small. The mouthpipe would have to open up very quickly to go from such a small bore to such a large one.

[Ace]

The Cerveny trombone with 4 rotors, wrapped like a cimbasso, has a bore of .560". It uses a 3G bass trombone mouthpiece.

The Cerveny 5 rotor cimbassi have a bore of .717" and use a tuba-sized mouthpiece.

http://www.trevorjonesltd.co.uk/CERVENY ... MBASSO.htm" target="_blank" target="_blank

Ace

[averagejoe]

Cerveny makes cimbassos in 260mm and 280mm bore sizes. Ferguson only carries the larger bore model that is standard in 5 valves. Perhaps the smaller bore models (4 or 5 valve) are just not up to snuff?

[Donn]

Cerveny makes cimbassos in 260mm and 280mm bore sizes. Ferguson only carries the larger bore model that is standard in 5 valves. Perhaps the smaller bore models (4 or 5 valve) are just not up to snuff?

From the specifications online (http://www.amati-denak.cz" target="_blank" target="_blank), it looks like you're talking about the same 2 instruments Ace described above. The smaller one looks to me like it's just a bass valve trombone - as I suppose bass slide trombones would be in F too, if we had long enough arms.

Back in the '80s, WW&BW catalogues listed Miraphone valve trombones down to an F bass, probably similar idea. Now gone ... probably wasn't up to snuff? Or could be that bass valve trombones have not been big sellers in recent decades. Has there been so much interest in the cimbasso all along, or has that picked up a bit in the past 5 years or so?

[UTSAtuba]

I wonder if the OP even cares anymore...last date was 2006.

Joseph

[J.c. Sherman]

The "little" Cerveny is unplayable. Or barely playable. The opera here owned one and it was so bad I built my own. AVOID! It is a bass trombone, same as their "straight" model, but with a bent neck. Horrifying! Barely usable with a bass mouthpiece. Miraphone's is a little better.

I've heard some good things about the big Cerveny, but I've not tried it. I'm sure Steve Ferguson has more information. It's definitely a more modern instrument.

And G&P has basically continued the Kalison design, which was a terrific instrument.

J.c.S.

[lowbrass-freak]

Yes that's right, the Kalsion Cimbasso was super! I once played on it, when I visited the Kalison factory in Milano (7 years ago).
Now I play a Laetzsch 6 valves cimbasso.
It is a great instrument!
Love to play it.
Frank