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Hello Fellow Tubenetters,

I am on the search for the Contrabass trombone part for The Pine of Rome. We are playing it and I am going to play the contrabass part, but my school is missing the part. Any help would be appreciated!

Thanks,

Thats odd. I remember when I went to band camp at SFA (I know, I know...band camp!) when I was in high school, we played that piece. I seem to recall the trombone professor there (don't remember his name) playing the REAL part on his contrabass trombone. I guess our band transcription was in the same key!

The only thing I remember about the guy is that he taught all of the low brass at SFA, since their was no tuba instructor. They brought in real tuba guys for the summer stuff.

This is a great post for anyone who deals with a music library. Most of the time we never know what happened to missing music. Was it loaned out? Did it get thrown away by mistake? Is it misfiled in another folder somewhere? It's a pretty logical assumtion as to the fate of the missing SFA Pines Contra Bone part. Find the low brass teacher, remind him that he pulled the part for the summer special and he may look through that stack of music on the front left corner of his desk and produce it.

Hey,

You must have come here to the bandcamps quite a few years ago!! The trombone professor here now is Dr. Deb Scott, and there has been some different tuba professors here throughout the years. I am actually going to do what the old professor did in your band camp and read the actual orchestral part because the band director wants the different timbre of the contra.

I looked on my Cherry Classics CD of orchestral excerpts, but the only Respighi that shows up is Fountains of Rome. Maybe you have a newer version than me, i don't know???

Cheers,

SFAtuba wrote:You must have come here to the bandcamps quite a few years ago!!

Hmmm, I believe it was the summer of '96, I think.

The Cherry Classics has trombone I, II, II and "Tuba Bassa" as well as Buccina/Flicorno Basso parts (I and II).

Respighi was not one of the Italian composers that preferred a fourth trombone to the tuba. All of Verdi's original parts are marked "cimbasso" and all but one of Puccini's operas are marked "trombone basso". This isn't so in the case of Respighi, whose tuba parts are universally marked "tuba". You are possibly thinking of the stage band part marked "flicorno basso", strict translation "bass flugelhorn". What Respighi wanted was the image of the mighty Roman army marching down a road. (Presumably with some pine trees on the side.) An interesting side question is what instrument you guys like for the stage band, trombones, baritones or something else?

Verdi also used trombone Basso, we just played Rigoletto and although the outside page says tuba as well as bass trombone,a Kalmus convenience, the part is printed as trombone basso, and of course is written for valve bass trombone, and further is much more complex than the other(slide?) trombone parts.DaveMills Charlotte, Opera Carolina

If you're doing the standard band transcription (I can't remember the transcriber's name), be sure to look at the Bass Sax part.

In the orch tuba part, there is a Bb major scale played in 1/2 notes towards the end of the Appian Way movement. It is very important to the harmony in that particular place. However, the transcriber, in his infinite wisdom, chose to score that part in the band arrangement ONLY in the ever-popular Bass Sax part. When I played it recently in rehearsal, our conductor (some 35 year's experience) said he'd never heard that, and couldn't believe what he'd been missing.

Check it out.

I seem to remember that Ottorino Respighi almost always wrote TUBA parts for his music for all his music EXCEPT THE PINES OF ROME. I could be wrong, but, even though I never played the original orchestra version of PINES, I remember seeing it played by the LA Phil when I was a kid and Roger Bobo left the stage and another man came on with a big trombone. I played FESTE ROMANE, which has a tuba part.

The premiere of Pines of Rome was in Rome, 1924. It is entirely concievable that no tuba was available for the performance at that time. In any case, the contrabass trombone would be identical to the tuba part, as our fellow Tubenetters have mentioned above. As much as I love playing the cimbasso, I think the tuba is preferable in this music. John