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You have jumped from one of the smallest production horns to a normal size. I wouldn't sweat it, it's going to take significantly more air to produce the same result on the Mirafone than your little Yama-slammer. Just take it slow and it will happen.

Chuck "Troll?"Jackson

Could be that you're playing a bigger horn that takes more air

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Is there an echo in here?

What mouthpiece are you using?

Have you tried tipping your head (forehead) down. Be sure you are blowing through the mouthpiece, not in to only its top or upper edge? Make sure you place the mouthpiece more on your upper lip than the lower lip? Are you using as little pressure against the mouthpiece as possible? Get the pressure off your lower lip. But, above all, breathe deeply and naturally and fully before starting the tone then slowly slur down from bottom line F, as steadily as you can, as low as you can. You might find an incentive Spirometer to help you with this (Windsong press).

Not only that, but you may need a mouthpiece with a slightly different shaped cup and/or throat and/or backbore to regain some of the resistance you've come to rely on to help you center your buzz.

Bach 12? Great, but do you still feel like you've run out of air too soon?

figaro wrote: . . . . Yesterday I got a mirafone 186. On it I can hardly play below the low B flat and I am getting dizzy again just like I used to early on when trying to work below B flat. Is this to be expected? I am wondering if it is because of the difference in resistance in blowing the two horns. . . .

Check for leaks, including worn valves. A heavier valve oil can help playability if the valves are showing wear.

Larger mouthpieces can help with those low notes.

I agree that its because of the size. I remember A while back, i ent up to our storage room and found a 6/4 conn 20k just laying there. My band director didnt know that it existed. so, she let me take it home (and i love it). the first time i tryed to play it (after i fixed the spit valve) i couldnt go low at all either. i was so used to my 4/4 mirafone cc. so, i just had to work at it. One of the things that i have found that helps with range, no matter if you're a student thats just learning or an experianced player who just wants a larger range, is chromatic scales. edge towards that one note and when you hit it hold it for as long as you can. then do it again. dont stress it to hard or you'll hurt your lips. but, yeah, since I did that the conn is the master of all low notes (that i've played). so, yeah, the old saying 'pratise makes perfect' applies here

tubashaman wrote:keep on playing, practice super high. Practicing high will give you control of your air, making it easier to control embochure in the lower range

tubashaman wrote:keep on playing, practice super high. Practicing high will give you control of your air, making it easier to control embochure in the lower range

Well, there you have it. Where was this guy when I was coming up, he really has a handle on these things. Gosh, Wes, what am I going to do now that the secret is out!!!!!

Chuck"dumbfounded"Jackson

working on my high range destroys my low range.

for serious, but long tones and spending 3x the amount of time i spent working on high range helps me get my low range.