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Euph. Purchase.

Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 1:16 pm
by pierso20
I feel like I'm always buying thing...or talking about buying them..BUT

I am going to possibly be teaching a handful of students, some of which play the euphonium. In light of this fact, I would like to get back to playing euph. a bit...(I did shortly in high school).

I wanted to get a 4 valve (non comp or comp...don't care)
but definetely don't want to spend a lot...since it's more for recreation and to help in instructing.

What kind of horns should I be looking at.

Oh and I saw this one on ebay...http://cgi.ebay.com/Used-King-Silver-4- ... 0141513638

could be a little fun. :P

Any advice?? I'm sure there is....

(my price point....somewhere below $500...haha it just needs to function)

Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 1:49 pm
by Alex F
Brooke,

In terms of 4v non-compensating euphoniums, I'd suggest a used Yamaha YEP-321S. These often come up used on Ebay and other places. I think it will be tough to find one for $500. However, because the supply is usually good and you may be able to negotiate.

A used Weril would also be good IF you can find one.

The used King would be fine if can find one with decent valves.

As for comp horns, for $500: FUGETABOUTIT. It is highly improbable that a decent one can be found for your price. NOTE: I did not say impossible, but highly improbable.

Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:01 pm
by pierso20
well thanks. lol

Improbable....meh. haha
I just gotta have something to hash out on.

So who know's what I can find out there.

Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 3:48 pm
by Eric B
The three that Alex F suggested are what came to my mind too. I'm in your boat, Brooke, although my budget is a little higher. I'm just looking for a decent horn to play for church solos. As a former band director, I am very familiar with the consistancy and reputation of the Yamaha, but I'm limited to $1,000-1,600 dollars. I have heard many great things about the King 2280, especially from Mr. Dave Werden ( www.tubaeuph.com ). I have not come across a Weril 980 yet to play test, so I'm not ready to decide which horn I'll get. I can tell you that I had a rehearsal with a brass group a few weeks ago and we had to euphoniumists there. One guy had a very new Yamaha YEP 321 and the other guy had an older King 2280. Both horns were lacquer. I thought, "Here is my chance to play both back to back!" Because the King has a larger bass trombone sized receiver, I had to use different mouthpieces in the test. With the yamaha, I used a Bach megatone and the King I had the stock mouthpiece. I played both on my own and then I had both musicians listen to my sound and judge.

My impressions:

King 2280: Fat, vibrant tone
Sticking valves (possibly due to age and condition)
Louder valves
Awkward flexibilty

YEP 321: Sweet, lyrical tone
Smooth, quiet valves
Terrific flexibility

The two musicians both said that I sounded much better on the Yamaha, without question. Keep in mind that there were variables that contributed to this...different mouthpieces and horn condition, so this is certainly not scientific.

I came away with the opinion that I would probably prefer the King in a large ensemble, and the Yamaha for solos (or in your case lessons).

I am waiting to purchase after I have an opportunity to play test the Weril H980S ($1,600). This horn is a clone of the YEP 321, except it has a larger receiver (like the King 2280). It is harder to find Weril dealers ( www.hornguys.com ) and ( www.tubaexchange.com ), so I'm a bit concerned about obtaining parts. A local music store in Texarkana stopped carrying Weril for that reason. If you find a Weril, you definately want to get one that was manufactured in 2002 or later because they have better valve guides.

Another horn I've read good things about is the TE 1300 (Yamaha 321 clone) that www.tubaexchange.com sells for $895 in lacquer. I have not played this either. They do have parts if you have to repair in the future. Who knows what the future holds? It might be worth the risk at that price. I would definately want to play several before making a horn choice.

I agree with Alex that it is unlikely you will find a King 2280 or Yamaha YEP 321 in good condition for under $500, but you might if you are patient. Buying used is always a risk without the opportunity to play test first. I have seen used Werils for sale at that price, but it is rare. Yammies and Kings seem to go for about $1,000 used.

My advice: do what I'm doing. Play several different models that have a good reputation. Listen to the tone and scale. Make a choice based on your sound, not anybody elses choices. Then patiently wait to purchase the horn of your choice. Either patiently save for a new horn, or patiently wait for a used horn for sale from a reliable seller near you. Happy shopping!

Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 4:57 pm
by pierso20
thanks a ton for the advice. I am definetely going to be patient. I'm not in a super hurry.

:D

Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 8:10 pm
by Alex F
One other place you may want to look:

http://stores.ebay.com/Leisuretime-Musi ... idZ2QQtZkm

This seller takes mostly old school horns and restores them. I've bought a few small instruments from his over time. He is an honest seller and each horn is well described as to its condition and flaws, augmented by good photos. Most of these are 3 valve baris and euphs. Some folks think he's a bit overpriced but my experience is that you get what he says you will get. Worth a look IMHO.

And yes, I've told him several times that its not a "euponium" but he hasn't got around to fixing this.

Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:49 pm
by pierso20
there's a cool looking black lacquered Euph on ebay.... 8)
I need it

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 12:47 am
by pierso20
I havn't seen these Euph's. Any chance that you have seen on at least online for me to see?

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:15 am
by windshieldbug
Besson 3 valve comp that I ran accross this morning with $600 Buy-it-now on eBay...

BESSON EUPHONIUM

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:27 am
by pierso20
oooo.....pretty horn.....it's 3 valve.....but a 3 valve comp may surpass a 4 valve non comp?? maybe? 8)

either way, pretty horn...

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:30 am
by Eric B
windshieldbug wrote:Besson 3 valve comp that I ran accross this morning with $600 Buy-it-now on eBay...

BESSON EUPHONIUM
SN 137726. That would place the manufacture date around 1950. I wonder how it plays.

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:36 am
by pierso20
does an older date for besson indicate higher quality? I am unfamiliar with besson's history.....maybe a little ignorant???

Still....I of course wonder how it plays.

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:46 am
by windshieldbug
I think that the date puts it in one of Besson's highest quality periods, but one of the more technical personae could confirm or deny. What you probably don't want is something right after Besson left England.

If this is a seriouser euphoniumist, they might be looking to trade a 3-valve comp for the more common 4-valve comp.

For something you'd use infrequently, I'd think that a 3 valve comp would be fine... how low do you plan to go?

If you did a "Buy-it-now", perhaps you could arrange a trial period where you pay the shipping back if it doesn't work out in a reasonable time.

Just rambling musings...

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:01 am
by pierso20
I'm not looking for something to be pro on. I just want a decent horn that allows me to learn euph again and also work with euph students better. SO I may want to check this horn out.

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:43 pm
by pierso20
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... :IT&ih=020


don't know how good this is....but dang...sure is pretty..... 8)

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:03 pm
by pierso20
haha, oh alright.

Meh, I need SOMETHING...something that plays and is in tune. I'm just on the lookout.

Bob, did you check out the black lacqured horn i posted a link on right above you??

haa.......oh so pretty....unforunately, in that case Im sure beauty may only be "skin" deep.... :P

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:19 pm
by pierso20
well that threat makes me sad...I would be heartbroken to not get my horn.... :(

I can't WAIT until I have it. Soon...