Which brass instrument has this bell profile?

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Which brass instrument has this bell profile?

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I never knew of a such brass instrument.

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maybe a mellophone, commonly used for marching bands? :idea:
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I always try to avoid wading through the obvious:

You may have convinced me that it is a funnel for a gentle elephant enema.

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That Looks Like----

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----the 1919 Blastophonic "Miracletone", model SH-T, in F#. Made in lower Northern Scambodia, it never achieved much popularity beyond the Balkan states. Very rare instrument, not often seen these days. No famous player ever endorsed this horn. In fact, there is no authoritative record that the thing could be played at all.
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looks to me like a trombone bell, just shot from an odd angle (looking down to the flair instead of the usual perpendicular shot.
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Is it...

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a Fred Young Mouthpiece :?:

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Post by Leland »

Nah, that's no mellophone. The taper at the top of the picture is too narrow and the bell flare isn't flat enough.

http://www.kanstul.com/pages/instrument ... m281m.html

Maybe it's not a bell for an instrument at all, but instead, it's a pedestal for a lamp, chair, or table.
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What Bell is this?

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My guess is French Horn, or just the bell of one.
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The given bell shape illustration of course has irritated my eyes, when it has popped up in the right column of the TubeNet.

I don't think, that it is a plain illustration of any real brass instrument. PhotoShop or the like has been involved.

The throath through flare area has been stretched vertically. Still the manipulation is based on a photo of a real instrument. Which one?

Most brass instruments have bell flares with a profile where the tangent of the profile tends to end up perpendicular to the axis of the bell.

Only one national tradition deviates remarkably from this: the French one, where the tangent ends up at an angle of 45° or 60° to the bell axis.

As the French tradition via the Distins and the Bessons was very influential on the British tradition, we also will find such tangent angles on pre-Sovereign British brasses, even on one of the Sovereign Bb cornets.

However the photo manipulation in question rather has taken is base in a photo of a traditional French cor de chasse:

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From the horn lists I have heard about these hunting horns having their own playing traditions, but never had heart samples.

Try to listen to La Saint-Hubert at

http://www.journeesdechasse.com/

and you will have your definitions of good musical taste challenged.

Try to click Entrez on that page and then listen to Le Point Du Jour at the bottom of the page coming up.

You won't be less chocked!

But then you have learned about the historical background for the older French French horn playing style and for the older brass band vibrato.

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My best guess is that it's an AIDA trumpet.
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Post by jacobg »

Take a look at this small bore large bell vintage conn ebay trombone

http://i23.ebayimg.com/02/i/02/33/ea/6a_12_s.JPG

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Post by Chuck(G) »

You know, I was really scratching my head on this one.

The reason is that my browser uses ad-blocking software, so of course, I see no photo at all! Made me wonder if this was some sort of takeoff on tne Emporer's New Clothes... :)

That aside, I wonder if this isn't the bottom of some sort of brass candlestick holder or vase or something not musical at all.
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Re: .

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Henry wrote: I don't believe there IS any member of the brass family with that profile. The metal clarinet does have that profile. That doesn't mean that it is anything other than a zippy image of God knows what designed to sell a recording.
This is it....we're all assuming that some musician had input to this CD cover, but it was some graphic "artist" who did it, for the reason above. He probably thought a clarinet WAS a brass instrument!

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Maybe---

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----it's something similar to the Meinl Weston Eb alto trumpet? Check out the photo on their web site, Meinl Weston.com
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