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I would definately play before I buy unless they will ship it on approval (doubt it).

Scooby Tuba wrote:What makes you think that's a Cerveny?

It's listed in the Cerveny section if that means anything.

Could someone local give 'em a call and ask 'em?

Scooby Tuba wrote:

The Big Ben wrote:

Scooby Tuba wrote:What makes you think that's a Cerveny?

It's listed in the Cerveny section if that means anything.

Not when I look at Cerveny BBb tubas on the Dillon website.
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It's under "Dillon" BBb tubas...
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Oh, how right you are... When I looked at the link I assumed it was in the Cerveny section because it was on a page with two others... I should never ASSuME...

Jeff "But I *am* a Democrat" Benedict

I have a three rotor .709 bore horn similar to this. Bandfolio was selling them about three or four years ago. It's a good playing horn; very light, easy to carry, and easy to play, good intonation. But it most definitely does not have The Kahuna Factor. Very lacking in The Kahuna Factor. For a couple hundred bucks more, you could get one of those Dalyans from WWBW.

How does this model compare to the St. Petersburg in playing facility and craftsmanship?

snufflelufigus wrote:...Walter bought parts from probably Cerveny or some Czech company. ...

The only Walter Sear I've studied up close (owned by Bob Pallansch) was Cerveny through and through. Cerveny then and now would stencil anyone's name. I had a Sanders I bought from Custom Music 20-odd years ago that was also a Cerveny.

I had never heard that Sear did any assembly of parts bought in Czechoslovakia. Do you know this for a fact? I had always been quite sure they were imported complete as stencils.

Rick "agreeing that the Dillon in question is not a Cerveny" Denney

Rick Denney wrote: I had a Sanders I bought from Custom Music 20-odd years ago that was also a Cerveny.
Rick "agreeing that the Dillon in question is not a Cerveny" Denney

I was always told that my 25+ year old Sanders was a Cerveny. Just for the heck of it I finally popped the stencil plate off and cleaned off all the black tarry adhesive to see what it was.

It's labeled Amati Kraslice.

I know that after 1948 the Cerveny factory merged into a state enterprise, AMATI Kraslice. It was just interesting to me that it was labeled Amati and not Cerveny.

lgb&dtuba wrote:It's labeled Amati Kraslice.

I know that after 1948 the Cerveny factory merged into a state enterprise, AMATI Kraslice. It was just interesting to me that it was labeled Amati and not Cerveny.

So was mine. But it was still made in the Cerveny factory. All the rotary tubas labeled "Amati" were made in the (separate) Cerveny factory, as best as I can tell. The piston tubas were made in the Amati factory, from what I recall.

Rick "a rose by any other name would smell as bad" Denney

and remember there is a "Sanders", which was a CMC stencil, and a SANDER, of which I don't remember anything but its existance.

TubaAlex wrote:I own a 4 rotor Amati Kraslice CC that plays surprisingly well. I'm guessing it is an older horn due to its S linkages. If I recall correctly, these horns are identical to Cerveny's correct ?

They are not just identical to Cervenys, they ARE Cervenys. They just have Amati engraved on the bell.

Rick "recalling that Cerveny has been making tubas in the Kraslice (Graslitz) area since the early 1850's" Denney

snufflelufigus wrote:1) That story comes from Walter himself.

In which case it was hearsay. Now, if you saw him with torch in hand doing the assembly after opening boxes with a Kraslice return address that contained mere parts, then it would be an eyewitness report and would justify the authoritative way you presented it.

The one eyewitness report we did see on the topic seems to support the notion that Mr. Sear didn't do any assembly, even if he said he did.

Of course, it makes no real difference--the instruments are what they are. DP didn't question that, however.

Rick "'Mozart, you are passionate but you do not persuade'" Denney

I admit to not knowing for certain...did I hear sometime in the past year or two that Walter had passed away?? I know Don Butterfield has, but someone mentioned Walter at one point, somewhere...I can't find any evidence either way!

BTW, the tubas were imported whole. Designed and built in whatever factory, shipped to him. No question about that.

snufflelufigus wrote:2) I'm not trying to thinly-veil any slams. Dillon use to be an excellent repair shop. You'll probably still go to them. I won't. I'm entitled to my opinion. Why should people pay almost double the price for the same Chinese tuba that they can get on Ebay? Who cares anyhow... those horns suck...

Considering the way you acted at the Woodwind and Brasswind, I would guess that Dillon's would prefer you didn't come back.

snufflelufigus wrote:Dude, I've known Steve for a long time and I can call him up today and talk to him.
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So, people give me a hard time because they feel like I'm Dillon bashing. ...

No, Dale said you were burning a bridge. And he was right--all I see are ashes floating down in the stream. He didn't say whether he thought you cared, and obviously you don't.

A lot of us can call Steve today and talk to him. I have a nice chat with him at every Army conference. Why don't you call him now and resolve the situation? That's what I would do if I had an issue that might lead me to make public complaints about it. By airing it here where the other two or three good tuba technicians in the country can see it, you might find more bridges were singed than just the one. But you wouldn't be using them anyway--some of them have waiting lists measured in years.

Rick "whose opinion is that some people--not saying who, mind you--can be impossible to please and are shown the door, come what may" Denney

My apologies to snufflelufigus for my comment. I feel it may have been taken the wrong way. When I see a horn in that kind of condition, I know it's a great playing horn and that the player is obviously good enough to be getting enough work where keeping the horn shiny is a low priority. Keeping it playing is what's important. Jen's horn makes yours look brand new.

As to my comments about your teacher I was just trying to be polite. I've not worked with him before and haven't seen him in 30+ years.

I DO remember giving free valve oil and slide grease to your co-workers, in objection to the counter sales folks who wanted to sell them full bottles of overpriced lubricants.

Maybe we can both get on with our lives now.
Roger

eupher61 wrote:and remember there is a "Sanders", which was a CMC stencil, and a SANDER, of which I don't remember anything but its existance.

That would, of course, be the amazing famous re-appearing ex-Fred Marzan tuba, for one!...

windshieldbug wrote:

eupher61 wrote:and remember there is a "Sanders", which was a CMC stencil, and a SANDER, of which I don't remember anything but its existance.

That would, of course, be the amazing famous re-appearing ex-Fred Marzan tuba, for one!...

Oh, yeah! Just love that copper! Probably too much of a hassle for words but I do love it.....

Copper wash inside a brass lacquer bell? I'd love it. And my recording bell comes off, too.... All the guards in copper? That would be cool, too!

Jeff "Copper penny for your thoughts" Benedict

Wouldn't be so bad... it's not really copper, just a high copper brass alloy!

Roger Lewis wrote:My apologies to snufflelufigus for my comment.
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Roger

I tip my hat in your general direction . . . .

snufflelufigus wrote: The last job he did was crap. He made a leadpipe in from two pieces of tubing and made it 4 - 5 inches short. He then handed me a bill for $550 or so bux and said you can pull the slide out 4 or 5 inches to compensate. I smiled like the gentleman that I am and paid the bill and left realizing I wouldn't be back. Do you know that the whole center of the horn changes when you pull out 4 - 5 inches more? The funny thing is he made the leadpipe before this one and it was absolutley killer. He knew that this leadpipe was wrong when he handed me the horn and the bill

Why didn't you show some stones and say, "I'm sorry but I have to refuse this repair. It is unacceptable. I know you can do better and have. I don't want to pull my slide out and should not have to do so. Please do it over. I am willing to wait a reasonable amount of time but not over two weeks."

Don't be rude, don't bitch online. Just stand up for yourself. I had a repair done on my trumpet which was substandard and was to cost $300. I refused it and they redid it correctly. After the fact, I realized that I brought it into the wrong shop but, in the end, I did get my work done the way I wanted it. You took your horn to the right shop. It was up to you to insist that the work was done right and as previously discussed if you were not pleased. "Not going back" does you no good in your situation. You didn't stand up for yourself and now you are unhappy, have a **** up horn and are $550 poorer.