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I was just looking at BBC's website http://www.baltimorebrass.net/index.php?cat=5 and noticed a difference in a 2165 and 2165L. Are they the same horn? the 5th valve is different. Picture mistake?

2165 Picture - http://www.baltimorebrass.net/pic.php?id=407

2165L Picture - http://www.baltimorebrass.net/pic.php?id=143

Disclaimer...I am in no way accusing Baltimore Brass of doing anything on purpose, I am merely curious about the difference in the horns. Perhaps there are things different with the Deck horns and 2165L's

Thomas' pictures are of a 5 bow horn, while Gregs are of a 3 bow (open wrap). The 5 bow was the predecessor to the 2165.

Yeah, I heard that there are about 5 different variations of 2165.

I may be pointing out the obvious, but I believe the L refers to lacquer. Just like S refers to silver plate.

Perhaps L does mean lacquer, but there's an obvious difference with the 5th valve placement.

I have played on the 'stage' horn that you speak of. Its been a few years, but its a fantastic example of the 2165. Very good scale and great response for a 6/4 instrument. That horn plays WAY better than the stock instruments. I like MY 2165 too much though.....

-Josh

the elephant wrote:This may be a one-off that was custom done. I have never seen a 5 loop 2165 before.

Again, it's not a 2165. It's its predecessor, a M/W copy of Don Little's Holton (forgotten the old M/W model number...), before Warren got ahold of it and made a bunch of changes, including dispensing with 2 bows.

It's simply a mislabeling by Baltimore Brass.

the elephant wrote:BTW, the BBb is a 345.

I meant the model number for the Meinl-Weston copy of Don's Holton. The copy was a righteous production model for awhile, and more than a few were sold.