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Re: "American" vs. "German" tubas

Postby bloke » Sun May 06, 2018 9:29 pm

What is the proper mouthpiece to use with a Chinese copy of a Japanese copy of a German copy of a one-off American tuba?
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Re: "American" vs. "German" tubas

Postby TheTuba » Sun May 06, 2018 9:50 pm

Tried funnels, I suck on them. Plus I don't like the bite. I don't want to change mouthpieces, just the sound.
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Re: "American" vs. "German" tubas

Postby ken k » Sun May 06, 2018 9:51 pm

I have been dealing with this issue in my own playing recently.

For 30+ years I have played a Boosey & Hawkes Imperial Eb with a 19"bell. It has a very "broad" tone. I always enjoyed its full and rich sound. I would liken this to the "American" style. A small bore horn with a large bell, which diffuses the sound a bit. For the past few years I was trying to get a more focused sound, (since I play the top Eb part in a brass band) so I started using a bowl style mouthpiece as opposed a Helleberg style (I used a conn Helleberg on the horn for probably 15 years.)

About a year ago I purchased a Miraphone Norwegian Star Eb, and the tone is much more focused (German?), like a scalpel as opposed to a butter knife. It would be a larger bore horn but with a smaller bell (more cylindrical overall than the Boosey?) I have been experimenting with which mouthpiece to use. I have a number of Sellmanberger cups to interchange with my rim (the older 2 piece models, Imperial, Symphony, Solo # 1 & 2, also regular and mega rims). I seem to have settled in on the Solo #2 with the mega (deep) rim, so I have a bowl cup, but a bit deeper. I find when I use the Sellmansberger Symphony, which is a deep funnel, the horn definitely loses some of that edge and has a broader tone. When I play with the pops Orchestra I think I may use the Symphony cup to help broaden the tone a bit for the larger ensemble. I would be curious how much this difference is actually heard out in the audience??? Or is it a matter of feel vs. sound?

I also prefer the more focused sound with my quintet. It just gives me a more precise tone and articulation, which I like in the quintet (for now, anyway, maybe in a year I will wish for the fuller sound again, who knows.)

Norwegian Star vs. Boosey Imperial (Besson), definitley two different style horns, two distinct sounds. Which is better? A matter of taste I would guess. Do you like a German accent or an English accent?
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Re: "American" vs. "German" tubas

Postby Ken Crawford » Mon May 07, 2018 8:32 am

bloke wrote:What is the proper mouthpiece to use with a Chinese copy of a Japanese copy of a German copy of a one-off American tuba?



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Re: "American" vs. "German" tubas

Postby Fergie » Tue May 08, 2018 10:56 am

Wait, do English tubas have a particular "sound"?
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Re: "American" vs. "German" tubas

Postby bloke » Tue May 08, 2018 11:54 am

Fergie wrote:Wait, do English tubas have a particular "sound"?


I believe so...but their characteristic sound qualities seem to be ignored/not-brought-up here...
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Re: "American" vs. "German" tubas

Postby Patrase » Tue May 08, 2018 4:31 pm

Would James Gourlay playing his recordings of 'British Tuba Concertos' be the British tuba sound? He seems to be a Besson artist and a well regarded UK tuba player told me James uses a 24 equivalent mouthpeice. So am guessing that's what equipment the album was recorded with.
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Re: "American" vs. "German" tubas

Postby kontrabasstuba » Tue May 08, 2018 8:17 pm

The most traditional german Bb tuba sound was and is the 6/4 Bohland and Fuchs(or other old instrument builder from Graslitz and surrounding area)
Lots big tubas (upright mainslide) based on this type and body form. Amazing and unequaled sound. :tuba:
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Re: "American" vs. "German" tubas

Postby Wyvern » Tue May 08, 2018 8:23 pm

Patrase wrote:Would James Gourlay playing his recordings of 'British Tuba Concertos' be the British tuba sound? He seems to be a Besson artist and a well regarded UK tuba player told me James uses a 24 equivalent mouthpeice. So am guessing that's what equipment the album was recorded with.

I would say John Fletcher playing a Besson 19” bell compensated EEb tuba provides the classic British tuba sound. At least that is the sound a lot of us tuba players in the UK aspire
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Re: "American" vs. "German" tubas

Postby TheTuba » Sun May 20, 2018 9:39 pm

other than American, German, and British tonal colors, Is there any other regional tonal characteristic that is seperate from these and followed by many people?

Also, With the Advent of more tuba players, will a new "Asian" sound begin to emerge?

Finally, other than the more Cylindrical (Miraphone) tubas (German), and the more broad Conical/very fast increasing bell diameter (King 2341) tubas (American), will a new design emerge that complements the above mentioned "Asian" sound?


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