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Postby iiipopes » Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:50 pm

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Postby tuba kitchen » Sun Mar 02, 2008 7:43 pm

I've been following this very interesting thread.

so, next question: which larger Eb (thinking of willson 3400 or MW 2141) would have a "german" sound and would fit into a german orchestra???

we play a lot of opera stuff (well, actually MOSTLY), so it's all middle and upper middle register stuff, and has to fit with the trombones. mostly i find the Eb sound VERY round and VERY individual when playing in the section, even though it's so much easier to have better intonation in this register on the Eb.

the conductor describes this desired sound as "schlank" which means lean, fine and thin. does this mean maybe a lack of vibrating overtones?

unfortunately, i don't play f tuba which seems to fit more into this "schlank" idea. the mirafone 184 c-tuba is much liked by the conductor for the verdi-pucinni stuff. for wagner he prefers the bigger c-tuba.
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Postby Greg » Sun Mar 02, 2008 7:50 pm

Having owned both, I would go with the Willson as the sound on either tuba is somewhat similar in a larger ensemble when played in the mid range. However, the Willson seems a bit more direct and commanding.
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Postby finnbogi » Sun Mar 02, 2008 8:00 pm

tuba kitchen wrote:so, next question: which larger Eb (thinking of willson 3400 or MW 2141) would have a "german" sound and would fit into a german orchestra???

I haven't played a MW 2141, but to my ears the MW 2040 (the rotary version) sounds quite German - in a schlank, German F tuba kind of way.
At least I found it a lot less tubby than my Besson 981. I would guess that a Willson 3400 sounds quite like the Besson.
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Postby Wyvern » Sun Mar 02, 2008 8:12 pm

tuba kitchen wrote:so, next question: which larger Eb (thinking of willson 3400 or MW 2141) would have a "german" sound and would fit into a german orchestra???

Definitely the MW 2040/5 has a German F tuba sound. It was designed specifically with that sound in mind (using a PT-65 mouthpiece).

I have had the chance to play test and compare side by side with a MW 45 and a B&S PT-15 F and the tone from the 2040/5 is midway between those two. The 45 is slightly broader, while the PT-15 is slightly leaner in tone.

I have also played the F tuba part in an Austrian band on my 2040/5 and its tone matched perfect.

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Postby Tubanese » Sun Mar 02, 2008 11:36 pm

so...is the MW2141 has a German sound or the "Meinl Weston" sound? I think it has its traditional MW sound. (JMO)
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Postby William Parlier » Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:22 am

Deutschland, Deutschland über alles! Amerika ist Scheiße :lol: I'm kidding. I'm an America boy, but I like my German horns.
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Postby tuben » Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:29 am

William Parlier wrote:Deutschland, Deutschland über alles! Amerika ist Scheiße :lol: I'm kidding. I'm an America boy, but I like my German horns.


Cute. You are not alone, there are LOTS of us who love our German tubas.

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Postby iiipopes » Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:58 am

As you can see, I tend to diversity, as all have their place, and application.
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Postby Rick Denney » Mon Mar 03, 2008 1:57 pm

iiipopes wrote:As you can see, I tend to diversity, as all have their place, and application.


Me, too. My stable:

Holton BB-345 (American, by definition)
York Master (American in inspiration, but Germanic in execution)
Miraphone 186 (Sprechen sie Deutsch?)
Martin TU-31 (There's no place like plastic home)

B&S Symphonie F (as German as it gets, in a Marxist sort of a way)
Yamaha YFB-621 (as Bloke accurately observed, British to the core, except for the "Made in Japan" bit)

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Better late than never ...

Postby pwhitaker » Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:40 pm

Up until 2006 I played all "American" or "British" horns (since 1952 or so) according to the classifications offered by the savants in this thread. I acquired an old (197x) Miraphone 186 BBb 4v with recording bell and immediately fell in love with its tone, projection and intonation. I then got the tuba equipment bug (having gone 15 years without buying any horns) and bought a brand new 1291 5v BBb which I was totally besotted with for about 11 months. An old 5/4 Rudy BBb became available and needless to say, it was love at first note. I sent the 1291 down to Dillons if anyone is interested in a good 5v BBb with an MTS case and an extra 2/3 5th valve slide. The point of this little ramble is that I am completely enamored with the "German" sound. Walter Hilger is a demi-god.
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Re: Better late than never ...

Postby tuben » Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:48 pm

pwhitaker wrote:Walter Hilger is a demi-god.


Truest statement of the day.

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Re: "American" vs. "German" tubas

Postby TheTuba » Sun May 06, 2018 12:37 pm

I play a mira 186. Can I get a "american sound"? I sound too piercing in band according to my band director (she says I am louder than the trombones)(our trombones suck).
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Re: "American" vs. "German" tubas

Postby Doc » Sun May 06, 2018 2:05 pm

TheTuba wrote:I play a mira 186. Can I get a "american sound"? I sound too piercing in band according to my band director (she says I am louder than the trombones)(our trombones suck).


What kind of mouthpiece are you using?
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Re: "American" vs. "German" tubas

Postby bloke » Sun May 06, 2018 3:08 pm

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Re: "American" vs. "German" tubas

Postby TheTuba » Sun May 06, 2018 4:34 pm

I use a RT-44
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Re: "American" vs. "German" tubas

Postby Ken Crawford » Sun May 06, 2018 5:43 pm

bloke wrote:bump


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Re: "American" vs. "German" tubas

Postby bigtubby » Sun May 06, 2018 8:20 pm

Meh, I'll take an ancient Bohemian sousaphone (in the right hands of course) any day ...
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Re: "American" vs. "German" tubas

Postby ken k » Sun May 06, 2018 9:22 pm

TheTuba wrote:I play a mira 186. Can I get a "american sound"? I sound too piercing in band according to my band director (she says I am louder than the trombones)(our trombones suck).


try a Helleberg style mouthpiece...
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