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I was blown away Friday night in Asheville, NC listening to the Artie Shaw Orchestra. They of course played the original book rather well but the real treat was a new Bass Trombonist, at least for me. She is Leslie Havens, playing a big ole' 10 1/2" Duo Gravis dependent. It was remarkable enough that a 5' 100 lb female could hold the thing up for four hours, but she also blew the bell off it the whole time. This girl can seriously play! I do hope my chauvanism didn't come through too much Mary Ann.

Perhaps you could use this as a self-education about chauvinism, since you admit you have it? Generally I find that males who make assumptions about females and their abilities, are unconsciously limiting their friendships with women, to those who meet their expectations of what women can do. Widening your expectations can lead to large rewards.

I would love to play bass trombone but found that it was too heavy for me at my age. So I continue to blow the bell off my horn instead, on the trombone part in a B5tet.

MA

Only 22 minutes! Less than I expected. But certainly as pointed as expected response. Seriously though, the horn she is playing is a beast. It weighs only two or three pounds less than my Miraphone 184. I had a big Conn like that and had to sell it because I couldn't hold it up for a whole gig. My current Besson weighs 5 or 6 pounds less than that King. She does use a brace but so do I. Now we wait for Bob.

heh. weekends I'm online in the morning, usually. During the work week, it is hit or miss, and likely the 22 minutes would not have occurred.

Bait taken, Score one!

MA

Let's face it. Any of us who might be chauvanists in the instrumental world should have had it handed to us by a girl/lady named Carol. Enough said.

Fritz Kaenzig isn't exactly huge, and I've heard him play the socks off a Yorkbrunner.

Woohoo for hoss tuba players who are smaller than Alan Baer (who's last name describes his physical stature WAY too accurately)!

John_L wrote:It's not just gender chauvanism we have to avoid, but size chauvanism. There's a local bass trombonist here in OC that's five nothing and maybe 120 lbs. soaking wet. Plays a hybrid King with a Duo-Gravis slide and an 8B bell, no leadpipe. Absolute monster player.

We tend to associate big horns with big people, but that's not always the case.

indeed, the smallest guy in the Tuba studio at IC (i'm not sure exactly but in the low 5' range and probably <150 lbs) is also the contra bone player in the Trombone Troupe!

Look at the Reading Buccaneers contra line. 10-12 members. 7 women. All of them under 5'6" and spaghetti-thin. They threw those horns around like they were trumpets or something. It was the coolest thing I've seen in a while.

I am really big, and I still suck. Go figure!!!

Don't sweat it. I was skinny, I sucked. Now I'm bigger, and I suck worse. Go figure...

Both of you big guys: If you would put on some hot pants and a halter top, you would sound much better. Really! Try it at your next concert.

I tried the top, but all I got was the hand!

Cleavage will do that.

Betty Glover played bass trombone in the Cincinnati Symphony orchestra from 1952-1985. Monster player she was. Give a listen to the Cincinnati Symphony Richard Strauss album. Especially Till Eulenspiegel. WOW. Plus you get the added bonus of Mike Thornton playing tuba, and that is never a bad thing.

bloke wrote: MA,

I don't view myself as an sort of chauvinist. I can see you playing a bass trombone...yeah...btw...What are you wearing...right now...??

Well, Blokey, just look at my avatar; that's what I'm wearing, every time I"m on Tubenet.

MA

ZNC Dandy wrote:Monster player she was.

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Sir,
My deepest appoligies for not recogizing earlier that a Jedi Master we had on tubenet.
TJ

that's what I'm wearing, every time I"m on Tubenet.

But under my clothes, I'm completely naked!

so anybody at the USABTEC hear Velvet Brown's recital and Deanna Swoboda play the Arutiunian?

Girls certainly can play too!

Kevin,
You know I was there. All that I can say is, holy shith!