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Pictures at an exhibition-Bydlo
Mahler 1,2,5
Brucnker 7

Wagner:

Ein Faust Overture
Das Rhinegold
Ein Heildlieben
Lohegrin, Prelude to act III
Die Meistersinger

Till Eugenspiegel
The Planets -Gustav Holtz

Big tuba stuff:

Prokoviev 5
Fountains of Rome
Ride of the Valkyrie
Romeo and Juliet (prokoviev)


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It goes without saying that it is almost useless to practice any of these without first having heard them in context -i.e. buy/borrow recordings of each, listen carefully, play along with them on a cd player ect-. Practicing without knowing how the tuba parts in these pieces "fit in" will leave you only "knowing the notes," which is less than half the battle.

Holst Planets on a small rotary F?
The "Bass tuba" part goes very low and needs a "weighty" feel to it; a big Eb is the smallest tuba I could possibly consider appropriate - this is typically CC tuba all the way. The tenor tuba part is written in treble clef and is typically played on a euphonium/baritone.
Also, I could see Bruckner 4 on an F, but definitely not Bruckner 7.
I apologize if I am misreading your post, David.

Till Eulenspeigel
Sensemaya
Meistersinger
Romeo and Juliet- Berlioz
King Lear- Berlioz
Benvenutto Cellini-Berlioz
Overture to "Midsummersnight Dream"-Mendelssohn
Bydlo


Chuck

Holst Planets on a small rotary F?
The "Bass tuba" part goes very low and needs a "weighty" feel to it; a big Eb is the smallest tuba I could possibly consider appropriate - this is typically CC tuba all the way. The tenor tuba part is written in treble clef and is typically played on a euphonium/baritone.
Also, I could see Bruckner 4 on an F, but definitely not Bruckner 7.
I apologize if I am misreading your post, David.

Planets should be in "Big Tuba"

Bruckner 7's not too bad. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it doesn't go below the low F?

All of these are still functional on the F tuba, though not always "concert appropriate"

There's a book somewhere, with some of the more basic, standard, commonly played excerpts. Right now the name of it evades my feeble mind. My copy is long gone.

That book is a good starting point. Bueller?

Mahler 1,2,5
Brucnker 7

Wagner:

Ein Faust Overture
Das Rhinegold
Ein Heildlieben
Lohegrin, Prelude to act III
Die Meistersinger

Till Eugenspiegel
The Planets -Gustav Holtz

Let this be our textbook example of why it is necessary to think or have knowledge of something before posting on it.

F Tuba:
...Petrouchka solo...

I think this one could go either way. It is a bear.

RGbasstrbn wrote: 4. Wagner operas, such as LOHENGRIN and Die MEISTERSINGER, go under big tuba category,

The most often used excerpt from Lohengrin is sometimes played on an F tuba. The "solo" from Meistersinger is also sometimes played on F tuba. I know audition winners who have used F tuba for both of these. Others have used CC tuba for them.

Forget the excerpts.

Scales and etudes.

Learn the horn.

Truer words never spoken.

Master the Vaughan Williams on it as well. That warhorse appears as the solo for an audition more and more frequently by the year.

better still, learn 'em all on BOTH horns. That way you're ready for whatever a conductor may say, or what limitations may be placed on you due to travel, damage/accidents, whatever. It can only make you better prepared for anything.

Then, play 'em on whichever is best for YOU, in keeping with the overall musical situation.

the elephant wrote:Contrabass:
...Bruckner - Symphony 4

Interested to see Bruckner 4 under the contrabass tuba list. I would use the same as indicated for all the other works on your list, but for this one (which I have shortly coming up in concert) I have concluded, go with bass tuba for reasons of tone and high register security. Mind you I am using my Eb, rather than F.

One day I will be a full time orchestra member and professor, Wade you make me go and practice

Watch out, Wade, you are having that effect on people again. I haven't seen this in long time folks, it could get ugly. The last time this happened someone in the USMC looked lovingly on Wade, and the rest is, how shall we say, part of the myth and histoy of the USAESOM.

Chuck"I missed the 'it's all about the horns' part"Jackson

James ... as always seems to be the case when you post.....


How does your teacher want you to learn F, and then proceed into the world of excerpts and audition-readiness?

FOBA … Remember that little club, Chuck? FOBA. And she was a cutie. She just had problems with things like scales and rhythms, as I recall.

I remember being around some people who were, or should have been, founding members.

You have to admit, she was easy on the eyes.

Chuck"who learned to double tounge from Wade Rackley in a rehearsal with MUCS Johnson during the march "Invictus" and still thinks that if anyone could teach me that in the span of 5 minutes, everyone should be studying with him"Jackson

im just a YOUNG undergrad still learning

And never forget, James, that punctuation, grammar, and spelling count, too.



Chuck

the elephant wrote: Listen to New York with Kurt Masur, Jonathan.

http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/alb ... um_group=8

I very much recommend this recording. Jaw-dropping tuba in spots; jaw-dropping. (IMHO)

Thanks Wade for the recommendation - I will order that! Presumably Warren Deck on tuba?

Bruckner 4 obviously shows a transatlantic difference. I have never seen it played on big tuba in Europe (with British and German orchestras) and even a BAT enthusiast like myself did not consider bringing out the big tuba for this one.

Be interested to hear what it sounds like on that NYP recording, but will have to stick with the bass tuba for my forthcoming concert anyway - the man with the stick has indicated he likes the tone on my Eb.

I've never played the work in public but I did it in a rehearsal. In my part 2 or 3 movements were marked to be played on a contrabasstuba, and 1 or 2 on basstuba (can't remember exactly the numbers). That is how I saw it performed by Tokyo Phil a few years back, but by no one else I can recall - I did it all on a CC in the rehearsal and nobody said bupkes. Anyone have actual combat experience?

Also, if you can find them, add the Vaughan Williams symphonies although I would prefer them on CC or even BBb. And further, if you do any Italian opera stuff and don't get replaced by a 4th trombone or cimbasso, most Verdi and Puccini is better played on an F or Eb. I use my 184 or my 983.

jeopardymaster wrote:Also, if you can find them, add the Vaughan Williams symphonies although I would prefer them on CC or even BBb.

I also prefer Vaughan Williams on a contrabass tuba. In fact it was playing his 9th Symphony on a Besson EEb and not having sufficient weight in the low register which originally convinced me of the need for a CC. Every subsequent RVW performance I have played on CC.

Neptune wrote:

the elephant wrote: Listen to New York with Kurt Masur, Jonathan.

http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/alb ... um_group=8

I very much recommend this recording. Jaw-dropping tuba in spots; jaw-dropping. (IMHO)

Thanks Wade for the recommendation - I will order that! Presumably Warren Deck on tuba?

Bruckner 4 obviously shows a transatlantic difference. I have never seen it played on big tuba in Europe (with British and German orchestras) and even a BAT enthusiast like myself did not consider bringing out the big tuba for this one.

Be interested to hear what it sounds like on that NYP recording, but will have to stick with the bass tuba for my forthcoming concert anyway - the man with the stick has indicated he likes the tone on my Eb.

POSTSCRIPT

After listen to recording with Bruckner 4 played on BAT (although actually the Vonk SLSO recording with I understand Michael Sanders on his Yorkbrunner - http://www.amazon.com/Bruckner-Symphony ... 520&sr=1-5 ), I decided to try on my Neptune.

This last Saturday was the concert with me using my 6/4. I have literally never received so many compliments in all my years playing. I had one member of the orchestra after another coming up to me and saying how wonderful it sounded, that they could feel the vibrations out front stage and enquiring if it was the big tuba giving it such a rich organ like sound. I was even individually stood up for applause by the conductor (who I had obviously won over to the BAT)!

Jonathan "now 100% won over to Bruckner 4 best played on BAT"

Bob1062 wrote:
I bet that 321 had a good low C, Bb,...

Yeah, it's not a BAT sound, but Wade already covered that (could that little Cerveny do the same thing?).

Bob"sorry about all the parentheses"1062

The little Cerveny 653 I have practically plays itself in the low and pedal register . . . granted, it will never have the contrabass tuba sound, but all the notes are there, just "point and shoot." Yesterday in rehearsal I was pedaling a few lines just for fun, definitely NOT a problem. Good volume, too.