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Kurt, here are your pics. I took the liberty of starting a new thread for you in the main forum, where you wanted it.

The comment you wanted about these pics was: "My intention was to give a comparison between one of the largest british style BBb tubas,it´s a Besson New Standard 3 valver ,compensated ,and a real Kaisertuba,stands 47 " high,bell 20 ",bore 20.5 mm"

What make is the Kaiser?

Eric

Both horns are yours? I know you were looking for a compensator at one point. Now you just need an E-flat and a euphonium....

Love that Kaiser *drool* I would love to own a 5/4 or 6/4 rotary BBb while I'm still young enough to play it. Enjoy.

More info from other, moved thread:

Belltrouble wrote:On the bell there is inscribed:

Wendelin Michl,

Schwaikheim/Stuttgart,

But people are pretty sure that it was once handcrafted in chzech republik,Graslitz..................

weight is 12.5 kg and it´s the most bulky thing I ever came across.........

It even visited the US once,the selfmade hardcase has a writing on:

Trachtenkapelle D´Riaser,
does somebody remember perhaps???

Thanks at first,
Kurt

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Thank. I always wondered about the relative sizes myself.

Here's another pic that Kurt sent me. Jonathan, it looks fine from here. Might be a domain problem with your ISP and photobucket.com?


That is our Kurt with one of Mark Carter's (Mr. Tuba) EEbs. Unrelated to the original topic, perhaps, but a nice looking horn.

Eric "the human interface" L.

Can now see the pictures

The comparison is very interesting. Just look at the bottom bow of the Besson against the Kaiser. Despite its height the Besson is really a 4/4.

That Kaiser is two inches higher than my Cerveny 701 - enormous!

Thanks!

More of Kurt's Kaiser pics. (Watch the back leg on that stand,it's folded in!)

I had the pleasure of playing this BIG Kaiser today which is now with Mark Carter at Mr.Tuba (UK).

It is certainly big with a huge top bow, although when actually playing, did not feel bigger than my Cerveny 701 Kaiser. In fact it did not seem to suck the air quite as much as the Cerveny, although that may be down to a large dent in the leadpipe which must be restricting the air flow.

All the same, I thought it played well with a good full tone. I enjoyed my blow on it!

WakinAZ wrote:... I would love to own a 5/4 or 6/4 rotary BBb while I'm still young enough to play it...

I bought my 5/4 Rudy BBb last fall when I was still a youthful 66. It takes no more air - IMHO - than did my 1291 BBb.

pwhitaker wrote:I bought my 5/4 Rudy BBb last fall when I was still a youthful 66. It takes no more air - IMHO - than did my 1291 BBb.

It is a fallacy that many tubist have that BIG tubas require more effort to play. I recently tried a B&S PT-3 3/4 CC with my concert band. It was honestly a lot more work to support the band than playing my 6/4 Neptune. Big tubas help more in producing the sound.

The only thing against big tubas for older players is the weight to lift, but in the case of my Cerveny Kaiser, it is no heavier than the 4/4 PT-20.

Good to know, guys. Now I just need more money...

Eric "kicking self because Mr. Gilmore's Kaiser went on sale 2 weeks after I bought my YBB-641, way it goes..." L.

Air requirements are mostly a throat/backbore/leadpipe type thing.

Belltrouble wrote:Jonathan,I had a listen to you whilst playing that Kaisertuba yesterday during a phone call to Cymbran......

Did you try to blow the dents out???

My phone was nearly shaking!!!!

BTW,which mouthpiece did you use on that beast?


All the best,

Kurt

Hi Kurt,
Mark said you had been on the phone. I didn't know you'd heard me!

I was playing using a PT-48 which is my usual mouthpiece for the Cerveny.

All the best,
Jonathan

the mr tuba instrument looks very similar to my courtois. how does it feel to play?