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Conn 2J vs. Piggy

I want a horn that is nimble enough to use for solos and brass quintets but can produce a sound large enough to participate in a wind symphony or a small orchestra; at least untill I can afford a good F horn.

the elephant wrote:Piggy.

Thank you.

Bob1062 wrote:If you want a nice budget horn and plan to get a bass tuba some day, one of these might be a better idea-
http://www.dillonmusic.com/HeleoCart/Pr ... 39169.aspx

About the same price as the clean 2J's they have.

Why is that listed in the "woodwind" section of their site?

I had a piggy and one of my section-mates had a 2j. They both would be great 5tet or solo horns, but the piggy just has a much broader dynamic range, especially at the louder volumes needed in a large ensemble, IMO.

I'd go with the piggy.

Piggy. But, caveat emptor, check any Piggy out well before you buy. Don't worry about tone and openness as much as pitch. One beauty about a Piggy is you can get drastically different colors by changing mouthpiece, without sacrificing much.

the elephant wrote:Piggy.

Hm.... I vote 2J.

I suppose I'm not helping whatsoever with that, so I'll go on. Both are great 5tet horns in my opinion. I'm sure if you compared two good examples of either instrument you'd be hard pressed to decide. I like the ease of play on a good 2J and I prefer the general 'American'-ish sound vs. the Cerveny. I'm a piston player too, so that might have something to do with it.

Das Pig

I agree with the majority... go with the Piggy. I just bought one and although it has had some major modifications done to it, it still has a huge sound that can support just about any ensemble that you place it with.

As a side not, I've played several 2J's and they just don't measure up.

Toobist wrote:

the elephant wrote:Piggy.

Hm.... I vote 2J.

I suppose I'm not helping whatsoever with that, so I'll go on. Both are great 5tet horns in my opinion. I'm sure if you compared two good examples of either instrument you'd be hard pressed to decide. I like the ease of play on a good 2J and I prefer the general 'American'-ish sound vs. the Cerveny. I'm a piston player too, so that might have something to do with it.

Would the newer Conn 5xJs be examples of having an "American'-ish sound? Of course, they're a good deal bigger than the 2j.

actually a 52J may not be that much bigger than a 2J. although the price tag would be!!!!

I would prefer a Piggy as well.

ken k

Well... I want something to get me fluent in CC fingerings that can do the things an F is great at .
(play solos and 5tets.)

I'm a 2j fan and had a sweet one I stupidly sold to a student at Troy University.I want it back.Great for quintet and solo.Not for supporting a group bigger than a quintet.A piggy would certainly come closer to doing everything you first mentioned.A 2j would be better for what you last mentioned...

I think the second instance best fits what I'd use it for; the horn will be used for alot of solo work. If I end up playing for a symphony, I won't be the only tuba.

k001k47 wrote:If I end up playing for a symphony, I won't be the only tuba.

Youth orchestra sometimes have two tubas.

A youth orchestra down here has three tubas. I don't know what that would be.

It seems kinda of strange to me that they seem to let the tuba players pour in while, in the same orchestra, there is one bassoon, three horns, etc..



BTW: This is my 357th post...

The Jackson wrote:A youth orchestra down here has three tubas. I don't know what that would be.

It seems kinda of strange to me that they seem to let the tuba players pour in while, in the same orchestra, there is one bassoon, three horns, etc..

Me, too. The local community orchestra I was hoping to join already has two tubas and wouldn't let me join. Don't blame 'em. All three of us have big horns and would have finished off the entire viola section even with rolls of paper towels jammed in the throats of our bells...

Gonna hafta wait until "summer concert band" season...

the elephant wrote:

MileMarkerZero wrote:

k001k47 wrote:If I end up playing for a symphony, I won't be the only tuba.

I agree. that does not make any sense at all. Must be a typo.

I'M SORRY

I meant symphonic band.

My youth orchestra has 2 tubas 5 trombones and more woodwinds then we know what to do with

It takes a whole forest of woodwinds to balance 2 tubas and 5 bones and one mischevious tuba can wipe out an entire viola section. Lord help them if I crank up the chainsaw.