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Re: Fundamentals/both horns

Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:53 pm
by WakinAZ
tubenet stats for tubashaman wrote:Joined: 27 Mar 2007
Last Visit: Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:49 pm
Total posts: 1060
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Don't take your computer in there. This is not the input you are asking for, but perhaps what is needed.

Eric "whose unsolicited opinion is that the amount of time young James spends typing on TubeNet is not helping him achieve his stated goals" L.
**now ducking flames**

Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:03 pm
by Tubaryan12
Trust me, it doesn't take that much time to knock out 3 posts.

Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:03 pm
by Tubaryan12
Trust me, it doesn't take that much time to knock out 3 posts.

Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:03 pm
by Tubaryan12
Trust me, it doesn't take that much time to knock out 3 posts.

Plenty of time left for practice. :P

Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:08 pm
by Kory101
I always bring both horns with me. I usually alternate which horn I do the bulk of my warm up on. Just to keep my chops up on both horns and that anything I can do on my F, I can do on my C and Vice Versa. I also bring my laptop into my room and watch 2 episodes of Seinfeld every warmup session!

Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:50 pm
by pierso20
If you have the time, I'd imagine it is probably beneficial to play both horns. However, lately I have had no reason to play my contrabass because I am about done with Band for the year and I have a jury coming up. So I have been primarily playing my F horn.

In regular practice times, I usually bring both to the practice room and alternate which one I play longer.

I do tend to warm up on both horns. I will warm up and play the C and then the same for F. It is very important to have the ability to confidently be able to hop between horns. If you can do this successfully, then your muscle memory is doing well and strong for both horns....(my guess anyway).

I suggest try different things.

Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:17 pm
by tubacrow
while things do change due to upcoming performances or clinics. I tend to practice on both horns. somedays I spend the bulk of practice on F other days its the CC. I am also a firm believer that you should be able to play all etudes on both horns

Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:21 pm
by pierso20
tubacrow wrote:while things do change due to upcoming performances or clinics. I tend to practice on both horns. somedays I spend the bulk of practice on F other days its the CC. I am also a firm believer that you should be able to play all etudes on both horns
Exactly. Once you switch horns, it should be like flipping a switch over to your new key. Fingerings and etc. shouldn't trip you up too much if you are well practiced on both horns. However, too much time on one (like CC for example) will be very evident in fingers and sound.

Lately, I have been bringing my F horn to a small ensemble/band. It helps me read music I'm used to playing on a CC, but also gives me large ensemble activity to try and really get a full sound concept.

As always, you get out of what you put into it. If you neglect any 1 horn, it will show.

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:11 am
by KevinMadden
Scooby Tuba wrote:In general, to paraphrase an LA studio friend:

"Bass is your friend
Contrabass is your spouse
Confuse the two
And you'll lose your house."


Contrabass is home base for most people (unless you are a specialist, play mostly bass tuba for a reason, yada, yada...). Everything should be in relation to your contra bass. If not, you can very easily get tangled in a mess and make adjustment on your bass that negatively effect your contra bass playing that will require some serious untangling...

So, I warm up/practice on the biggest horn I'm going to play that day and unless it's an unusual euph/trombone day, I ALWAYS work the contra bass tuba every day.

FWIW, YMMV...
I agree with this. I find the first of of work each day is always on my contrabass. Then i'll move to my bass, depending on what is up on the day [band, brass choir, tuba ens, non-major band, (where I play bass 'bone) or a lesson] I may play more of one than the other, but I try to get to the Eb for at least an hour each day regardless.

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:16 am
by MaryAnn
tubashaman wrote:A) Ive been injured and sinus pressured these last 2 weeks, my head feels like it is going to explode
I just read a few days ago that the amino acid bromelain is good for sinusitis....and being in the same sinus condition as you are, and getting really, really tired of it, I think I'll give bromelain a try. Even though I'm supposedly allergic to pineapple and bromelain is made from pineapple. Can't make it any worse.

M "sick of draining sinuses" A

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:29 am
by TexTuba
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:40 am
by WakinAZ
Well, I guess the stats didn't make the point I was attempting to make. The amount of time I guess is not really the issue, it's the general approach. It's the same point I keep coming back to: you need a mentor who knows you and can help you achieve your goals.

For whatever reason, that person apparently is not your applied teacher. Maybe you could find someone who has achieved what you aspire to, and ask them if they would be willing to mentor you, even if it would be via TubeNet PM. (maybe someone like the Elephant: teacher/pro player)

Are the answers you're getting in this thread really something you didn't already know?: Focus on the primary axe, split time on the bass tuba depending on what you need to do with it, keep up on both. Dialing in the best approach and time allocation is up to those who know best what you need to accomplish in the near/mid/long term: you and your instructor/mentor.

Eric "devil's advocate" L.

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:43 am
by TubaRay
Tubaryan12 wrote:Trust me, it doesn't take that much time to knock out 3 posts.

Plenty of time left for practice. :P
Tubaryan12 wrote:Trust me, it doesn't take that much time to knock out 3 posts.

Plenty of time left for practice. :P
Tubaryan12 wrote:Trust me, it doesn't take that much time to knock out 3 posts.

Plenty of time left for practice. :P
Or to get three posts in one.

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:51 am
by TubaRay
tubashaman wrote:I am looking at graduate schools and I was wondering if scooby taught anywhere

Yes, Ive gotten A's in all my writing courses, however I am more lax writing on the internet
Someone's standards are seriously in question. The general standard of posting on this board do not require a high level of writing ability, however if one is so lax in writing that it is difficult to understand what they are attempting to say, I believe that is a problem.

To go a bit further, I know my writing skills are not at the highest level. I know that I, too, do not attempt to write perfectly when posting on TubeNet. If my writing does not achieve the ability to communicate my thoughts, I am wasting my time posting. Therefore, I try to be certain I am writing sufficiently well to achieve that goal. I sincerely hope that is true.

Frankly, I sometimes find posts that I am either not sure what is being said, or that I am totally unable to decode. This may be good enough for some, but it is not good enough for me. I read many of the threads on TubeNet because I am interested in what that person, or persons, have to say. If I am unable to do so because of poor writing, I might as well read something else.

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:37 pm
by Rick Denney
TubaRay wrote:Frankly, I sometimes find posts that I am either not sure what is being said, or that I am totally unable to decode.
Sometimes, just to keep it challenging, I type with my elbows.

As to F tuba, even when I'm focusing on it, I always at the very least warm up and cool down on the big tuba. It reinforces my tone concept and air movement (such as it is).

As to typing too many posts, I'm guilty as charged. But then I'm not studying to be a pro. I also don't ask people on the Internet if they think my teeth need to be whitened.

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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:10 pm
by tokuno
tubashaman wrote: Yes, Ive gotten A's in all my writing courses, however I am more lax writing on the internet
BTW, plurals don't take an apostrophe.
Rick Denney wrote: Sometimes, just to keep it challenging, I type with my elbows.
Expect your wife keeps things challenging enough to preclude elbows :P
"It's twue, it's twue!"
"I'm sorry to disappoint you, miss, but you're sucking on my arm."

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:14 pm
by Todd S. Malicoate
tokuno wrote:
tubashaman wrote:Yes, Ive gotten A's in all my writing courses, however I am more lax writing on the internet
BTW, plurals don't take an apostrophe.
But contractions do!

This message sponsored by grammar Nazis everywhere.

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:22 pm
by WakinAZ
It's been noted in previous discussions about grammar, etc., that the user base for this forum is older and a little more educated/sophisticated than your average internet discussion board. Those who ignore this reality tend to get flamed from time to time about their posts.

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:03 pm
by TubaRay
Rick Denney wrote: Sometimes, just to keep it challenging, I type with my elbows.

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