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My old Kruspe F (newish to me though) has a weird receiver. The mouthpiece I got with it was trimmed and shaved enough to sort of fit, but it doesn't seat where it oughtta. I'd like to find a mouthpiece that actually fits the horn. Is there a standard for a small German shank - corresponding to the big shank on old Alexanders and Scherzers and such? I haven't tried a Besson European shank, but I suspect this is if anything a wee bit smaller. I've found euphonium mouthpieces from time to time with extra-thick metal so as to shave the shank down to get a precise fit - that would be nice. Anyone out there have experience with old German Fs and have any recommendations?

I bet you are going to get a lot of responses saying "get a larger receiver" .
I've had a similar issue with a early, small, European F that has the tiny receiver.

Would this correspond to early American Eb MP's?

windshieldbug wrote:Would this correspond to early American Eb MP's?

Every (American) Eb I've had was same size as Bass bone. It seems he's saying it is the size of European shank Euphonium mouthpiece.

Yeah, when I get the "scratch" together I'll change receivers. Meanwhile, this thing is actually a hair smaller than a standard bass trombone shank, but larger than an English Besson euphonium shank. Getting a really large cup bass bone mouthpiece and cutting it down appears to be the best option otherwise, so I guess my clarifying question is, are there any off-the-shelf tuba-with-bassbone-shank MPs out there? Maybe it IS cheaper just to swap out receivers after all.

Maybe one of those "cheater" euph mouthpieces like the Yamaha Roger Bobo TT would work.

You might also consider the Marcinkiewicz 107. It is a contrabass trombone mouthpiece. It's got the widest inner diameter of any of their bass trombone stuff.
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If you can locate a Denis Wick mouthpiece without an "L" in the name, it's the small English size, practically bass trombone sized.

Else, If you wanted something even cheaper, you could just buy a Kelly 25 and some sandpaper.

Assuming it actually has a receiver, I would have it changed out. If it has a tube soldered over the end of the leadpipe, I guess I'd mess with wierd shank mouthpieces if the horn played well enough to merit doing that. Or, I might have the entire leadpipe replaced with one that used a receiver so I could go back if the results were undesirable.

jeopardymaster wrote:are there any off-the-shelf tuba-with-bassbone-shank MPs out there?

I've never run across a MODERN RANGE tuba mouthpiece with that kind of shank. The older G-bass trombone and F tubas shared the same range and shank.

jeopardymaster wrote:are there any off-the-shelf tuba-with-bassbone-shank MPs out there?

I had Warburton make me one of these when I was in Orlando playing with the Disney summer band. I was hoping for something to use on bass bone in jazz band to make the low notes "phatter." Complete waste of money...it sounded like crap.

Let me be clear, it wasn't Terry's fault...he made me exactly what I asked for...it just didn't work like I thought it would.

My 1940 King Eb is as funky as they come and has a small reciever.
Pensacola music store guy recommended a Schilke 66 which I bought then replaced with a gold version. Gold mouthpiece on that old horn still did not stop lip blisters. Sounded nice, though!
Called Mr. Kelly and he helped me find a plastic 24 AW with a small shank. I liked the wide rim but the plastic stuck to my lips toward the end of a long gig. Sounded pretty good for plastic.
Blew it out on a Giddings & Webster stainless steel "Diablo". I can play the devil out of that horn with my "Diablo" and I got back the edge to my sound only metal can provide.
The rim seemed narrow to me but I got used to it.
I don't get any blisters if I don't blatt.

I used to own an old MW F tuba that had the same receiver that you speak of. I think it was also the same size as the cimbassos from the early 80s, late 70s.
I purchased the horn used from custom music in 1999 and a PT 65 with the small shank.

Receiver is actually in decent shape for a total SOB. I'll post pictures when I get a chance. You guys are reading my mind - there are all kinds of unintended potentially nasty consequences lurking on this. Be it a hybrid mouthpiece, a new receiver/leadpipe/etc., or what, I dunno. Sam Gnagey just got finished updating the horn I bought from him 2 years ago. I might send this one to him to play with for a while, or maybe bother Dan Schultz again - who de-dented it and generally fixed it up for me last year. Lord knows I still can't play the thing anyway!